LOS ANGELES county CA under bird quarantine :(

[BreanneRN]

What has SOB done to eradicate or limit vND? I get that you're a supporter but I Can. Not. Get. Why.

Contrary to your statement, I am not a rabid supporter of SOB. However, they did bring public notice to the problem and the videos created did document the cruel, inhumane and disrespectful treatment of people and their birds by undertrained workers with no apparent clear concept of proper bio-hazard protocol. When called to account by videos documenting their torn suits and trampling baby birds, they did start to do a little better, thus saving more people in compliance with these protocols from that experience that Kerri had, and also, possibly helping to stop the spread of the disease by better following proper bio-hazard protocol.
What I am a supporter of is: Funding research for a better way to control this disease
More immediate action on the part of the CDFA to
contain the spread (rather than waiting 6 months). Respectful treatment of citizens in compliance with the process. Legally humane euthanizing of affected birds by workers properly trained in bio-hazard techniques and disposal Sorry if that is beyond your comprehension. Out-of-state respondents to this thread are rather distanced from the problems here, and mostly interested in this disease not coming to their state via illegal bird transport, which is understandable. I sincerely hope that it doesn't. But if you share a border with Mexico, you are equally at risk from that source of infection. Poor treatment of citizens in compliance with the CDFA process causes more people to non-comply which is both counter-productive and unnecessary.

 

[Elsveta641]

I'm not anywhere near Cali or Mexico. But if this disease came to my flock, I would do the responsible thing and give them mercy. Some of my chickens are just chickens. But many of them are pets I hold in equal esteem with any dog or cat. A very select few, such as the bird in my avatar, I had an almost human friendship with. But I would not let that put my feelings above the wellbeing of countless other birds and their owners. If we were infected and in the kill zone, I would mercy every bird on my property.
Your love for your animals is not genuine if you put your emotions above their health and the health of others like them around the country. If you remove a bird from the quarantine area to "save" it, or refuse to comply with mandatory euthanasia then you are the very worst type of owner and shouldn't be allowed animals at all. That is just my humble opinion on the subject, but I have no doubt I am completely and utterly correct.

 

[BreanneRN]

I'm not anywhere near Cali or Mexico. But if this disease came to my flock, I would do the responsible thing and give them mercy. Some of my chickens are just chickens. But many of them are pets I hold in equal esteem with any dog or cat. A very select few, such as the bird in my avatar, I had an almost human friendship with. But I would not let that put my feelings above the wellbeing of countless other birds and their owners. If we were infected and in the kill zone, I would mercy every bird on my property.
Your love for your animals is not genuine if you put your emotions above their health and the health of others like them around the country. If you remove a bird from the quarantine area to "save" it, or refuse to comply with mandatory euthanasia then you are the very worst type of owner and shouldn't be allowed animals at all. That is just my humble opinion on the subject, but I have no doubt I am completely and utterly correct.

I like to believe that everyone here feels that way. However, implicated in this epidemic were those already involved in illegal activities such as cock-fighting. It is unlikely that their moral standards would stand that test (and haven't and won't in the future). Almost all of the positive cases of infected birds were "Backyard Exhibition Chickens" which is a CDFA/USDA euphemism for cock-fighting birds. Those VND positive cases caused the deaths of over a million birds that were healthy, not infected, in order to control this disease. Available here is a list of all positive detections for this current epidemic. https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ou...p7pUO_T90MuVTCX9344StwKtk8JnagvnI8uferbZCw!!/

 

[Elsveta641]

I like to believe that everyone here feels that way. However, implicated in this epidemic were those already involved in illegal activities such as cock-fighting. It is unlikely that their moral standards would stand that test (and haven't and won't in the future). Almost all of the positive cases of infected birds were "Backyard Exhibition Chickens" which is a CDFA/USDA euphemism for cock-fighting birds. Those VND positive cases caused the deaths of over a million birds that were healthy, not infected, in order to control this disease. Available here is a list of all positive detections for this current epidemic. https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ou...p7pUO_T90MuVTCX9344StwKtk8JnagvnI8uferbZCw!!/

What would be nice is if the people making that list were familiar enough with chickens in general to give a breed as well as exhibition, layer, pet. Not even specific breeds necessarily but generalized types. Like if it were fighters, they could be classified as "game type" or else "heavy layer" or "bantam" whatever. Then we would truly know if the cockfighters are the most to blame. Not that I disagree with you really. But some fair and show exhibition folks are just as batty as cockfighting folks, believe me.

 

[Kiki]

Did CFDA or USDA say that exhibition meant game birds?

I haven't seen this anywhere except social media.

 

[Morrigan]

Did CFDA or USDA say that exhibition meant game birds?

I haven't seen this anywhere except social media.

I wish USDA posted definitions as I was very curious as well. I scoured the official pages and eventually deduced that it meant something other than non-commercial, egg-laying chickens or pets, because they had separate categories for those. That leaves birds bred for meat, sale, show or fighting. The only other scrap of information I found was in an article that I linked to earlier (here it is again https://newfoodeconomy.org/virulent...il&utm_term=0_75a28a0eaf-9b081aee42-511589085), with the pertinent excerpt being:

“In my opinion something really needs to be done about the density of poultry in some of these neighborhoods,” says Brian McClusky, APHIS’ national incident coordinator for the Virulent Newcastle Response. He’s seen yards where one person has 400 roosters, their neighbor has 200, then the next neighbor has another 200. “There’s minimal biosecurity. Between that and the commingling of these birds at certain kinds of events, this is just a great recipe for infectious disease to spread.”

The vast majority of Newcastle cases have been found in what USDA’s Animal and Plant Health Information Service (APHIS) refers to as “backyard exhibition chickens.” McClusky explains, “These are fancy roosters that they use for exhibition…and other reasons.” While it’s possible for this category to contain chickens that actually go to county fairs and other exhibitions, McClusky says, “Here people are raising backyard poultry for the purposes of fighting them.”

I suspect that we will never get complete clarity as to what the definitions are, or how they were applied in the field.

 

[IamRainey]

No, you never will get any clarity because it's an illegal activity and the folks engaged in it operate under the radar. Nevertheless, it's pretty clear, on an anecdotal basis, that they're the folks moving birds, introducing birds to one another and being the primary vectors of the virus.

 

[ocap]

clarity might be easier if we could/would stop changing the English language because changing the word confuses the reader/listener/voter.
example: illegal activity has become undocumented activity

 

[igorsMistress]

Did CFDA or USDA say that exhibition meant game birds?

I haven't seen this anywhere except social media.

No, as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure I read somewhere it was spread at shows...you know, another word for exhibition.

 

[ocap]

spread by?

unintended consequences?

Maybe next time it will spread farther and faster by undocumented humans playing an undocumented hobby making a decision to take his pet to an sanctuary county to escape chicken death row.

Explain to me why an undocumented human should respect a county line when the government is trying to kill his pet that in bringing in thousands of dollars in winnings? Remember he is undocumented in the first place and has no respect for the laws of Los Angeles.