LOS ANGELES county CA under bird quarantine :(

[Elsveta641]

This is an emotional and not really a valid comparison for a number of reasons. 1) Dogs don't live in flocks. You deal with them, for the most part, 1 or 2 at a time. 2) Because they aren't living in such close proximity as flocks do they wouldn't spread disease in the same manner. 3) Dogs, generally speaking, follow commands. If a dog needs to be put down, you say "come" and the dog comes, "stay" and the dog stays while you administer a single shot.

But, beyond that, if dogs were spreading an incurable disease with 100% mortality in the same manner as vND the answer would be YES, you put down your afflicted pet in the interest of other people's pets.

Euthanizing birds in a flock is an entirely different matter and we can all stipulate that it's chaotic and difficult. That doesn't change the necessity of protecting unthreatened area and flocks from the threat of contagion.

Actually... Dogs live in packs which is very nearly the same as a flock. But you'd have to be talking about feral or homeless dogs for the comparison to work. Packs of homeless dogs spreading disease and not responding to commands. Australia has that issue in places. Same with cats. And they drop poison sausages from airplanes to kill them by the thousands. True story.
And just for the record, if you said "come" and "stay" to the rooster in my avatar he would have obeyed. Chickens dont obey commands because most people dont bother to teach them, not because they are incapable. (By which I mean they are as sentient and intelligent an animal as a dog and worthy of the same consideration when it comes to euthanasia)

It need not be chaotic nor difficult to euthanize a flock. Wait till they roost at night and off they go.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Maybe if people would quit treating chickens as pets and more like livestock there would be less issues. Everyone nowadays is treating respiratory diseases, breeding known carriers and generally ending up with flocks of chickens that have the immune system of an AIDS patient.
It’s recommended constantly to take chickens to the vet. That means sick birds are constantly being transported in vehicles all over the place potentially spreading disease all over to save “Maggie” the 6 yr old red ranger.

 

[ThracianHorse]

I feel like the CDFA/USDA sat around too long twiddling their thumbs instead of actually doing anything about the problem. There also should have been a larger effort to educate people about virulent Newcastle’s disease instead of just killing healthy birds in an inhumane manner.
If you know that when CDFA agents come knocking that they will kill your birds in brutal fashion will you just hand them over? What if they would kill dogs this way would people be criticized for hiding their dogs?

Yes, actually. If your dog bites someone, especially if you can't provide rabies paperwork, you will be mandated to not only turn over your dog, but quite probably have it destroyed. Failing to turn the dog over results in a number of things upon the state, none of them pretty. Rabies is handled much more seriously than vND because humans can contract (Read? And die from) it.

 

[Elsveta641]

Maybe if people would quit treating chickens as pets and more like livestock there would be less issues. Everyone nowadays is treating respiratory diseases, breeding known carriers and generally ending up with flocks of chickens that have the immune system of an AIDS patient.
It’s recommended constantly to take chickens to the vet. That means sick birds are constantly being transported in vehicles all over the place potentially spreading disease all over to save “Maggie” the 6 yr old red ranger.

This forum is called backyard chickens. For urban chicken keepers. If you think city folks with a handful of hens and the occasional rooster do not consider their chickens pets, you are diluded.
They nurse weaklings with eyedroppers, hand rear scissor beaks and make little braces for leg deformities. Why do such ignorant things? Same reason people pay hundreds on surgeries for elderly or injured dogs. Back yard chicken keepers love their chickens as pets and do not consider them livestock. Some fancy they love them enough to smuggle them out of quarantine.
So yes if folks treated chickens as livestock only everyone would be better off. But if they did, the majority of urban chicken keepers would have no interest anymore. I've looked a rooster I considered a pet right in the eye and cut his head off because he got sick a lot and I didn't want him breeding or infesting the flock every few weeks. Few if any BYC folks would do that, theyd pump him full of antibiotics, take him to the vet and let him keep making babies. That's why we have so many sick birds and diseases reemerging. Soft hearted pet chicken owners and irresponsible pet owners (not always the same thing)

 

[Kathy Golla]

Yes, actually. If your dog bites someone, especially if you can't provide rabies paperwork, you will be mandated to not only turn over your dog, but quite probably have it destroyed. Failing to turn the dog over results in a number of things upon the state, none of them pretty.

Please. If you are going to post something, have it be based in fact.
Perhaps that’s what you think the laws are in your state and county, but please disclaim it as only your understanding. Don’t represent it as a fact for the General US public.

 

[ThracianHorse]

Please. If you are going to post something, have it be based in fact.
Perhaps that’s what you think the laws are in your state, but please disclaim it as your understanding of your laws in your state. Don’t represent it as a fact for the General US public.

...excuse me?

https://www.avma.org/Advocacy/StateAndLocal/Documents/Rabies-state-law-chart.pdf

http://powershotsmn.com/rabies_laws_by_state.html

(b) (1) Every dog owner, after his or her dog attains the age of four months, shall, at intervals of time not more often than once a year, as may be prescribed by the department, procure its vaccination by a licensed veterinarian with a canine antirabies vaccine approved by, and in a manner prescribed by, the department, unless a licensed veterinarian determines, on an annual basis, that a rabies vaccination would endanger the dog's life due to disease or other considerations that the veterinarian can verify and document. The responsible city, county, or city and county may specify the means by which the dog owner is required to provide proof of his or her dog's rabies vaccination, including, but not limited to, by electronic transmission or facsimile.

Seeing as how you seem to be in the republic of California...

https://www.laanimalservices.com/laws-policies/animal-licenses/

http://www.laanimalservices.com/important-pet-laws/

https://law.onecle.com/california/civil/3342.html

Unless you are an antivaxxer with with a particular delusion to reality, it would not be hard to win additional damages in court if you can't prove your dog was vaccinated against rabies.

Furthermore, have some other reading.

121710. Any person who, after notice, violates any order of a local health officer concerning the isolation or quarantine of an animal of a species subject to rabies, that has bitten or otherwise exposed a person to rabies or who, after that order, fails to produce the animal upon demand of the local health officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed one year, or by fine of not less than one hundred dollars ($100), nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) per day of violation, or by both fine and imprisonment.(Added by Stats. 1984, Ch. 697.)

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH Document Library/CARabiesLawsandRegulations.pdf

Those are YOUR OWN LAWS. Do I NEED to do the math for you? Do I? Cause I am not going to. You can do that. I don't have $100 a day to rot in jail. Do you?

Do YOUR legal research before shooting your mouth off. It would not be hard from a legal standpoint to prove the case about rabies risk if the dog in question has not been vaccinated. Frankly, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel, and if I were the victim, you would be in dire trouble. I do not, nor did I ever claim to represent the US. If you want that level of representation, I am not sure anyone here is qualified, much less you. Frankly, I am sure other places and states have much more stringent laws than California. Unless you have a specific point to prove, go else-ware, and as another said earlier, show a bit of candor.

Laws - sadly - are not always based in fact. If you did a bit of research, you'd know that. Fortunatly when it comes to a disease as deadly as rabies, it actually is.

 

[Kathy Golla]

...excuse me?

https://www.avma.org/Advocacy/StateAndLocal/Documents/Rabies-state-law-chart.pdf

http://powershotsmn.com/rabies_laws_by_state.html

(b) (1) Every dog owner, after his or her dog attains the age of four months, shall, at intervals of time not more often than once a year, as may be prescribed by the department, procure its vaccination by a licensed veterinarian with a canine antirabies vaccine approved by, and in a manner prescribed by, the department, unless a licensed veterinarian determines, on an annual basis, that a rabies vaccination would endanger the dog's life due to disease or other considerations that the veterinarian can verify and document. The responsible city, county, or city and county may specify the means by which the dog owner is required to provide proof of his or her dog's rabies vaccination, including, but not limited to, by electronic transmission or facsimile.

Seeing as how you seem to be in the republic of California...

https://www.laanimalservices.com/laws-policies/animal-licenses/

http://www.laanimalservices.com/important-pet-laws/

https://law.onecle.com/california/civil/3342.html

Unless you are an antivaxxer with with a particular delusion to reality, it would not be hard to win additional damages in court if you can't prove your dog was vaccinated against rabies.

Furthermore, have some other reading.

121710. Any person who, after notice, violates any order of a local health officer concerning the isolation or quarantine of an animal of a species subject to rabies, that has bitten or otherwise exposed a person to rabies or who, after that order, fails to produce the animal upon demand of the local health officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed one year, or by fine of not less than one hundred dollars ($100), nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) per day of violation, or by both fine and imprisonment.(Added by Stats. 1984, Ch. 697.)

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH Document Library/CARabiesLawsandRegulations.pdf

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH Document Library/CARabiesLawsandRegulations.pdf

Those are YOUR OWN LAWS. Do I NEED to do the math for you? Do I? Cause I am not going to. You can do that. I don't have $100 a day to rot in jail. Do you?

Do YOUR legal research before shooting your mouth off. It would not be hard from a legal standpoint to prove the case about rabies risk if the dog in question has not been vaccinated. Frankly, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel, and if I were the victim, you would be in dire trouble. I do not, nor did I ever claim to represent the US. If you want that level of representation, I am not sure anyone here is qualified, much less you. Frankly, I am sure other places and states have much more stringent laws than California. Unless you have a specific point to prove, go else-ware, and as another said earlier, show a bit of candor.

Laws - sadly - are not always based in fact. If you did a bit of research, you'd know that. Fortunatly when it comes to a disease as deadly as rabies, it actually is.

Your reactivity undermines your opinion even more.

This is your translation of your state and local laws and it is not based on any kind of personal experience I surmise.
My point is, to caution to please not represent your personal translation and opinion as fact. A simple, “my understanding,” to underline your point about dog laws around a transmittable disease would be helpful to this community.
I have faith that community members know not to take someone’s personal opinion as fact.
I therefore choose to disengage with you on this subject right now and work toward actually helping people on this board.

 

[ocap]

Your reactivity undermines your opinion even more.

This is your translation of your state and local laws and it is not based on any kind of personal experience I surmise.
If you knew anything about what I do personally know about rabies laws, you would halt your reactive and misinformative engagement. I have faith that people know not to take someone’s personal opinion as fact.
I therefore choose to disengage with you on this subject right now and work toward actually helping people on this board.

I have decided to not take your personal opinion as fact!

 

[ThracianHorse]

Your reactivity undermines your opinion even more.

This is your translation of your state and local laws and it is not based on any kind of personal experience I surmise.
If you knew anything about what I do personally know about rabies laws, you would halt your reactive and misinformative engagement. I have faith that people know not to take someone’s personal opinion as fact.
I therefore choose to disengage with you on this subject right now and work toward actually helping people on this board.

Reactivity? I present you with your own state laws, and you claim it's reactivity? You all but asked me for citation in law (rudely, I might add), and you reject it when I present it to you on a silver platter with citations?

That is your own problem to find out, and that's your money to lose in court. I have no dog in the fight (literally) other than to state what is the law. If you wanna find out the hard way, that's your choice. Good luck. You'll need it. This is why SOB will lose when it goes to court. If the reactions are always emotional instead of grounded in fact and cite-able law, they will lose every. Single. Time.

Good luck with your cause.

 

[Elsveta641]

Your reactivity undermines your opinion even more.

This is your translation of your state and local laws and it is not based on any kind of personal experience I surmise.
My point is, to caution to please not represent your personal translation and opinion as fact. A simple, “my understanding,” to underline your point about dog laws around a transmittable disease would be helpful to this community.
I have faith that people know not to take someone’s personal opinion as fact.
I therefore choose to disengage with you on this subject right now and work toward actually helping people on this board.

In the year 2006 in Polk County Iowa my dog was taken by animal control for killing a chicken who wasn't mine. According to Iowa law my dog would be put down after 30 days for being vicious. Their definition of being vicious included dogs who attacked, not just killed, other domestic animals. This included livestock, cats, any animal kept by someone on their property. It even includes if the animal comes into your property. You are allowed to kill it legally. But not your dog. So my dog was held and the only way to redeem him was to get a one million dollar liability policy on the dog and erect a 8 foot privacy fence around my property which the dog would never be allowed to leave without being on a leash not to exceed 4 feet held by my own hand and mine alone as legal owner of the animal.

That is the law and also my own personal experience in the state of Iowa. Dogs name was Max and he was a 2 year old half pitbull half labrador mix of it matters.