Lost a chick to Cocci last night, can only find Sulmet...question!

[PlumTuckered]

I got an order of 34 chicks from McM on May 11th, yesterday evening I noticed one of my BO's hunched back on her hocks, feathers fluffed and very lethargic. I brought her into the house and gave her water and Poly-vi-sol by dropper. After going through pages of this forum section and her finally pooping I realized she had Cocci..it was too late at night to get out for meds and I lost her at 2:30 this morning

I have not seen any symptoms in her brooder mates but don't want to risk it hitting and killing anymore so can I give Sulmet to the whole bunch of them or will it harm them?

Michelle

 

[THough1956]

Give it to all of them quickly. Follow the instructions, you start out stronger and then reduce the dosage. Also give yogurt. Just went through this myself and I lost 7 before I got it stopped.

 

[cochinbantam-lover]

I'm sorry you lost a chick, hope the others will be ok!

 

[PlumTuckered]

Thank you Ladies, they are all drinking their medicated/cranberry jello flavored water now.

I can't believe this happened, I've had chickens for 3 yrs and this is the first time cocci has reared it's ugly head. I'm now trying to figure out where to put 34 chicks so I can bleach out the brooder coop. They've not been outside of it yet but my grown hens have used it off and on over the last 3 years because it doubles as a hospital and nursery. I bleached it out 2 weeks before the McMurray order came in and thought all would be well.

Out of 34 chicks that lil BO gal was the only one that would come running to the coop door and jump into my hand, she was soooooooo affectionate, I sure do miss her.


I was up most of the night reading posts about Cocci and believe I read to give them chopped up oatmeal mixed with their chick start, is that correct? I don't have any yogurt and I'm way out in the boonies, DH is off with the truck till late tonight. Any idea of what I can use instead?

Michelle

 

[PlumTuckered]

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I'm sooo sorry that you lost 7 babies Hon, it sure is heartbreaking

The only yogurt I have in the house is a single container of Bavarian Cream flavored and I'm housebound until quite late tonight..is there anything else I can give them for now? I've got Oats (Quaker old fashioned oats) and powdered milk on hand.

Michelle

 

[TrixiePA]

HI, I'm pretty new to chicks and am worrying about everything so I wanted to know. Had/ve you been feeding them the medicated feed? I know that isn't always a sure guarenteed thing but just curious.

If nothing else then hopefully I bumped you up so someone who knows more will see this post.

T

 

[PlumTuckered]

No Ma'am, they're not on medicated chick start because I paid McMurray to Vaccinate them. The site states that if you feed medicated feed it nullifies the vaccine. So far they are drinking the medicated water with no fussing and everyone is acting normally so I'm hoping it means that they're all going to be fine

 

[Glenda L Heywood]

first that is not true about medicated feed
the fact that they were vaccinated for mareks
then the medicated feed was with amproylium which is NOT A ANTIBIOTIC it is amproylium for staving off coccidiosis

first I will put up the article on coccidiosis by queensland

fROM backyardchickens.com

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=183335&p=7

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From: Cairns
Re: GRRR... Why do things keep happening!?!
Not that anyone cares.Mourningdove wrote:
Hi there, I haven't heard of this either and I just wrote this recipe down for future refrence! Now none of my chicks or chickens are sick so for learning sake could you please post a thread for this topic for us newbies? Also I would like to know where to find the signs and symptoms for this? How would a healthy group of birds get this if no new birds are carried in? Forgive my ignorance please!

Many different diseases of chickens show identical symptoms which makes accurate diagnosis very hard
Coccidiosis is caused by coccidia (genus Eimeria), which are single celled parasites that live in the gut wall of their host. They are host specific: turkeys and other species are not infected by fowl coccidia and vice-versa. The different species of coccidia live in different parts of the gut and can be divided into those causing intestinal coccidiosis (the majority) or caecal coccidiosis (one species).

Coccidiosis Caecal Symptoms
In chicks or young birds, droopiness, huddling with ruffled feathers, loss of appetite, retarded growth, and bloody diarrhoea in early stages
It affects their cecum
Mortality is high
Spread from contact with droppings of infected birds. Spread on used equipment, feed sacks, feet o humans and wild birds
An important symptom is blood around the vent or bloody diarrhea

Coccidiosis Intestinal Symptoms
Affects growing or semi mature birds, droopiness, huddling with ruffled feathers, loss in interest in water and feed, retarded growth or weight loss, watery, moucousy, or pasty, tan or blood tinged diarrrhea, sometimes emaciation and dehydration
In mature birds; thin breast, weak legs, drop in laying, sometimes diarrrhea
If affects their intestinal tract
Mortality is limited to high
Spread from droppings of infected birds; spread on used equipment, feed sacks feet of humans and wild birds
An important symptom is blood around the vent or bloody diarrhea

Treatment:
1-teaspoon amprolium (20 percent) per gallon drinking water for 5 days (this is not an antibiotic)
A broad spectrum antibiotic to guard against secondary infections (yoghurt will restore the gut flora of the bird and make this more effective).
Follow this treatment with a multi vitamin supplement (especially A and K)
a regular dose of garlic in their feed also helps and is a great natural wormer.

Spread of the disease
Outbreaks are most common after wet weather or in damp conditions as it activates the oocysts in the soil.
Damp or contaminated litter and overcrowding favour its development.
Most commercial chick starters contain a drug that inhibits coccidiosis, but unless a clean, dry environment is maintained outbreaks can occur. Birds fed diets without preventative drugs are particularly at risk so clean dry litter and adequate space are especially important
If you have soil in your coop turn it, but don’t allow dust to blow everywhere, as this will spread the disease. Sprinkling hydrated lime onto the soil and raking it into the dirt will help to eradicated the problem.

Coccidiosis is spread when one bird eats faecal material from an infected bird, which contains the infective stage of the coccidia (small egg-like bodies called oocysts). Oocysts are ingested when birds scratch and peck at the litter or consume contaminated feed or water. The oocysts in the droppings need moisture and warmth to mature before they can infect other birds, and can do so very quickly (24 hr). Oocysts can remain alive in poultry sheds for more than a year and are very resistant to most disinfectants.

Each oocyst breaks down in the gut to release parasites that multiply into thousands, damaging the gut and causing disease that may lead to the fowl's death.

Beginning five to seven days after infection, thousands of oocysts pass out in the droppings of the bird to continue the life cycle. It is impossible to prevent this spread unless birds are housed so that they have no contact with faeces.

Antibiotics don’t cure Coccidiosis, just help stop the possibility of a secondary infection taking hold of your bird, which is often what ends up killing it.

any questions email me

 

[Glenda L Heywood]

Now what to do and what to feed after medicating for coccidiosis

to make sure they eat the medicated wet mash do this first ans second day of treating and medication in the water 7 days
also I use the wet mash with sulmet or corid
2 tbsp of dry crumbles(chicken mash)
4 tbsp of water
1 tsp of sulmet add to the water

if using corid
2 tbsp of dry mash
4 tbsp of water
add 2 tbsp of corid to the water
feed 2 tsp per chicken for a feeding
feed this two mornings to get the medication in the birds
also at same time put the corid or sulmet in the drinking water for 7 days


speckled hen gives corid(9.6) liquid in 3-4 tbsp per gallon of water
and after medicating give the following things



either the corid amproylium or the sulmet will work but now you have a difficient gut problem with the E.coli
and it needs to have the Vitamin E put in the wet mash probiotic to help the E.coli gut problem

do this

now the
natural probiotic recipe is is:
1 qt of dry crumbles
2 qts of milk, sweet, sour, or buttermilk or a mixture of all or some
1/4 cup of non flavored yoguart ( no artificial sweetmer)
mix good

NOW THE IMPORTANT INGRIEDIENT FOR EACH CHICK FED
and add 1- 1000 mg of Vit E by cutting the end off the vit E capsule for each chick fed this wet mash
and 1 seliunium tablet crushed for each chick fed this wet mash
putting it in the wet mash
this for each chick your treating
so for each chick use 2 tsp of mixture and 1-1000 mg of Vit E
and 1 sleinium tablet crushed in the wet mash probiotic
twice a day for them till the manure is solid

and feed
chicks 2 tsp full and what they will clean up in 20-30 minutes
then clean wet feeders and restock dry crumbles

do this twice a day for a week
till the chicks manure is right
then quit the Vit E and selinium make just the wet mash probiotic
then once a week for life

All the while after mdicating the birds use
2 tbsp of apple cider vinegar per gallon of the chicken water so their gut flora wil be regulated
they should have this at least 3-5 days a week
then three days aweek after they are over coccidiosis

email me for any questions

 

[PlumTuckered]

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I paid for my chicks to be vaccinated for both Coccidiosis and for Mareks, 2 different vaccinations.

That's why I didn't feed them the medicated chick start.

Michelle