Making a new "breed" of chicken. Read inside please lol

[KatiePaige]

Thank you so much!

 

[KatiePaige]

I don't want to sound ungrateful with all of the help, but I still want to try.

I understand this isn't going to be an easy project and that I'm looking at least 4 years before I can create what I want, but I think I can do it.

My biggest hurdle, in my opinion, is the comb. I have to breed back to the original laced bird to complete the lacing which is going to reintroduce the rose comb. But after that pairing in the 3rd generation, I should be able to work on the amercauna traits being brought back in without losing the lacing.

I am also going to try to find some barnendelvers and run the same breeding program with it at the same time. Unfortunately, there are none near us and I don't want to start with hatchery stock, so I am searching lol.

I will keep everyone updated as I start seeing results. But it's going to be a while, our birds are only 3 weeks old.

Thank you for helping me

 

[Ravynscroft]

I don't want to sound ungrateful with all of the help, but I still want to try.

I understand this isn't going to be an easy project and that I'm looking at least 4 years before I can create what I want, but I think I can do it.

My biggest hurdle, in my opinion, is the comb. I have to breed back to the original laced bird to complete the lacing which is going to reintroduce the rose comb. But after that pairing in the 3rd generation, I should be able to work on the amercauna traits being brought back in without losing the lacing.

I am also going to try to find some barnendelvers and run the same breeding program with it at the same time. Unfortunately, there are none near us and I don't want to start with hatchery stock, so I am searching lol.

I will keep everyone updated as I start seeing results. But it's going to be a while, our birds are only 3 weeks old.

Thank you for helping me

You don't sound ungrateful at all... and no need to apologize for asking questions, that's how we all learn...

Nobody is saying not to try this project, just want you to understand the amount of work and frustration you are in for... it will be a long, hard road, but if successful it will be so worth it... if this is still what you want, then I say go for it... I would love to see you do it...

 

[KatiePaige]

I am glad no one is offended. Picking up on human emotions via typed messages is difficult for me.

I really want this to work and I truly think I can pull it off. Mom said the same thing you did, it's going to be frustrating and at times I am going to want to quit, but if I make it work it will all be worth it.

The great thing is I have a few months to refine my calculations before I start. I have lots of reading to do too!

 

[trailrider330]

Here are some Barnevelder breeders you could look into. There are others, but if you specifically need Blues or Splashes, and you want ones with the best lacing your money can buy, your choices are a bit more limited. You could try...

The Fancy Chick (Ohio)
Blue House Farms (North Carolina - Got their stock from Fancy Chick)
TLS Ranch (California)

You could also check some of the Barnevelder threads on BYC for additional breeders.

I would offer you some of mine, but they are not of breeding age yet.

 

[Ravynscroft]

I suggest googling Foley's Waterfowl... that should pull up his webpage... he breeds Blue Laced Red Wyandottes and Call ducks, but he is a top breeder of laced... you could email him and ask for advice, the worst he could say is no, but asking wouldn't hurt...

 

[Spazzyyarn]

I suggest googling Foley's Waterfowl... that should pull up his webpage... he breeds Blue Laced Red Wyandottes and Call ducks, but he is a top breeder of laced... you could email him and ask for advice, the worst he could say is no, but asking wouldn't hurt...

Mom chiming in here, but she actually has a pair of blue laced reds from the foley line, that's what sparked her interest.

She is unwilling to use them in any part of her line. Im quite proud of her in that aspect, she wants to achieve what he did on her own, but I bet she could reach out and maybe he could point her in some form of direction, even if its reading material

 

[KatiePaige]

Trailrider I am visiting the sites now!

 

[Ravynscroft]

Mom chiming in here, but she actually has a pair of blue laced reds from the foley line, that's what sparked her interest.

She is unwilling to use them in any part of her line. Im quite proud of her in that aspect, she wants to achieve what he did on her own, but I bet she could reach out and maybe he could point her in some form of direction, even if its reading material

Good for her! I can fully relate to that... I breed Lavender and Black Split Ameraucanas and my starter flock is not the best... not the worst either, lol... but I am working on breeding them up... I have additional top lines now too, but those I am breeding separately... stubbornness and being an adult with Aspergers seem to encourage working on hard projects and in your own time and way, lol...

Asking for guidance is exactly what I was suggesting... not getting stock... and just since he has so much experience working with laced...

 

[junebuggena]

Hi! My name is Katie and my mom is the one that started this conversation.

Thanks for all the ideas and suggestions. I was under the impression that white skin was dominant over yellow, which is partly why I chose to start this project with a wynadotte. I am starting to rethink that now. White is dominant over yellow. That's not the big issue of using Wyandottes.

The pea comb vs rose comb worries me. I don't quite understand the genetics behind it. From what I have read they both can be dominant or recessive, depending on factors and something I may get a walnut comb? Is that correct? This is the hard part. Rose comb and pea comb genes will fight each other. They are equally dominant. When both genes are present in a bird, the result is a cushion comb. So all your first generation crosses will be cushion combed.

To fix that I would have to remove anything comb wise that was incorrect, but wouldn't the genes still pop up randomly? How many generations am I looking at before it would be removed? If the comb is the only thing you are working on, you can easily remove the rose comb genes in about 2 generations. As long as you aren't breeding back to the Wyandotte and reintroducing it. Which is why I suggest using a Barnevelder instead. No competing comb type to worry about. All the first generation chicks will have pea combs. And if you breed back to the Barnevelder, about 25% of the chicks will still have the right comb. If you use the Wyandotte, none of the chicks would have the right comb type, at least not for a few generations. And you would be risking loosing it completely and having to breed back to the Ameraucana to get it back. But then you would have to work on the color all over agian. Viscious cycle.
I like the look of the wynadotte lacing the best. But to complete the lacing I would have to breed back to the wynadotte correct? To get the pattern genes right, as quickly as possible, yes, you will need to breed back to the parent stock. It's still doable with line breeding half-siblings, but will take more time. But you will be able to control the unwanted characteristics more easily.

Speaking of lacing, does anyone have a good place to research that? I have found limited information avaliable. This thread goes in depth on the lacing and spangling genes. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/571407/genetics-of-spangling-and-lacing-for-dummies This site is an amazing rescource for studing the basics of chicken genetics. http://kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htm

Also, what is speckled vs spangled? Speckling is the same as Mottling, and is recessive. Spangled is a dominant pattern.

Thanks y'all. And sorry for so many questions