Marans - SOP discussion thread

[edgarmongold]

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Like the way it is a complete line all the way down the shank.

Can not see toe feathering so will not comment on that.

 

[edgarmongold]

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Well, just wait till I get you a chest shot. LOL He started out with a smattering that I hoped would stay within the "10% flaming acceptable" range, but now it's a good halfway down his chest and that part essentially looks gold-laced. On the plus side, it seems to be the perfect copper color, not too red/dark and not at all brassy, either. He's definitely going to be a very handsome fella; now if only he can make some darker sons just like him!

I like the aesthetic value of his comb (I tend to be a bit of a comb snob, even though they don't count much off for extra points). Although he has one extra point, they are all uniform, and the overall head shot is a handsome one, for what that matters.

I'm a tail and comb snob, I will admit.

Here's a few more pics I just took.. "Whatchoo lookin' at, lady?"

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-duVmV1KY_as/TfIY5Dt0CuI/AAAAAAAAEW0/8-A_dsb2kbk/s640/IMG_0018.JPG

From above..I think he has a great shape and good color balance so far..

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Eb3_3OoPcM4/TfIY6OwpL7I/AAAAAAAAEW4/KBz1oiFcE2M/s640/IMG_0019.JPG

And here he is with his ladies and the Jeane C1 cockerel with better color (but he's skinny compared to my Davis guy, his eyes are brown, and his comb is rather dome-shaped)..

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_FZXNef4jh0/TfIY65wkBOI/AAAAAAAAEW8/LPSQFcwehjs/s640/IMG_0020.JPG

One of the ladies is straw hackled, but she's got great type so I'm going to see what she produces.​

There is no mention of a DQ for being overlaced in the breast.

He is not the proper color for another variety so it would only be points cut.

There are only 5 color points allowed on the breast so I would cut him the full 5 points. mho

 

[youngbiddy]

Okay, so the only BCM DQ's are.. Yellow on shanks or toes. White ear lobes. Pearl or black eyes. Absence of feathers on shanks. (See General Disqualifications and Cutting for Defects.)
And the general dq's and defects are things like side sprigs, split wings, fused toes and the like, yes? I need to get a copy of the APA Breed Standard, but I was hoping Marans would be in it soon and I wanted to get my copy then.

I was thinking that since the standard says "Not gold laced", and my guy is laced, that would be a DQ by default. My understanding now is that any fault not specifically labeled a DQ is merely a point deduction. Have I got that right?

Also, I don't see any mention of the dreaded white feathers in the standard; is that covered under the general dq's?

 

[edgarmongold]

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Keep Disqualifications and Defects separate in your mind.

DQ is major and Defects is minor problems.

Any fault that is not a DQ is a defect that is correct.

White feathers is under variety DQs.

Lacing would be a defect and there are only 5 total points for color on the breast so he could be cut any where from a fraction of a point to 5 points depending on the amount of lacing on his breast.

DQ for Brown Red Plumage which is close to Black Copper except for breast lacing:

More than one appearance of more than one half inch of positive white in any section of the plumage.

The APA just printed a new edition of the SOP so it will probably be another 10 years before they do another edition.

 

[youngbiddy]

Thank you for clearing that up!

Oh dear, I didn't realize that the Standard was printed so infrequently. I suppose I'll bite the bullet, get the new one, and put a printout of the BCM standard in it.

 

[BookWorm243]

Thanks for starting this thread! This is my first time with BCM's and I am already hooked on the breed

I was wanted to get everyones opinion on my cockerel, Henry. I was wondering how he compares to the SOP. I know it calls for black or no more than 10% gold specks. Does he fit within the 10%, also he is two and a half months old.

Thanks!

 

[edgarmongold]

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This is not listed in the BCM SOP:

I know it calls for black or no more than 10% gold specks

At 2.5 months old do not be susprised if he puts in more copper color to his breast area.

Not good for show and for breeding be sure and mate him to dark females that are not overdone in copper. mho

 

[marquisella]

Heres a thought...

In order to not fill up this thread with photos of peoples birds & asking if they fit the standard, why dont a few people find or take photos of Marans that do fit the standard and post them? That way, everyone can print out the photos, and then compare them to their birds.

So no ones feelings will get hurt if their birds are critized.....

Lets start out with "this is how they should look" and go from there.

 

[BookWorm243]

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This is not listed in the BCM SOP:

I know it calls for black or no more than 10% gold specks

At 2.5 months old do not be susprised if he puts in more copper color to his breast area.

Not good for show and for breeding be sure and mate him to dark females that are not overdone in copper. mho

Thanks

I am working right now on finding some dark females to go with him.

 

[ChicksterJo]

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I would like to see some SOP birds or ones close to SOP so I can have a visual of what they should look like. I can get confused easily with people's different ways of describing certain qualities/characteristics, etc. Thanks in advance..