Marans - SOP discussion thread

[fowlman01]

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Walt do you have any idea how much this SERIOUS DEFECT is worth ?? ?

Is it the 3 points associated with the shape of the skull and face?

I don't normally see to many marans with it, but I sure run across it in the Speckled Sussex!

I don't find points assigned to that fault, but if a judge see's "serious fault/defect" they usually think "one step away from being DQ'd". The bird would not do well in competition.

I would consider it more than a 3 point deduction. It is a fault of the skull, so I would deduct 5 points like I would with a crooked keel in birds where a crooked keel is not a DQ.

I think listing faults in the Marans is a very good idea...especially if they can be illustrated or referred to in the SOP.

Walt

 

[snowbird]

Quote:
Walt do you have any idea how much this SERIOUS DEFECT is worth ?? ?

Is it the 3 points associated with the shape of the skull and face?

I don't normally see to many marans with it, but I sure run across it in the Speckled Sussex!

I don't find points assigned to that fault, but if a judge see's "serious fault/defect" they usually think "one step away from being DQ'd". The bird would not do well in competition.

I would consider it more than a 3 point deduction. It is a fault of the skull, so I would deduct 5 points like I would with a crooked keel in birds where a crooked keel is not a DQ.

I think listing faults in the Marans is a very good idea...especially if they can be illustrated or referred to in the SOP.

Walt

Hi Walt, this started out as a way for someone to be able to look and see if something was a fault or DQ as a reference. I am sure you know that the SOP is about the only place to find this kind of info. Sometimes it is listed in several locations and we have to look real hard to get the real meaning. Several people were intending to post pictures of these Faults with a notation saying what the fault picture was showing. I thought a general list and then go into each fault and reference the APA SOP.

 

[fowlman01]

Quote:
I don't find points assigned to that fault, but if a judge see's "serious fault/defect" they usually think "one step away from being DQ'd". The bird would not do well in competition.

I would consider it more than a 3 point deduction. It is a fault of the skull, so I would deduct 5 points like I would with a crooked keel in birds where a crooked keel is not a DQ.

I think listing faults in the Marans is a very good idea...especially if they can be illustrated or referred to in the SOP.

Walt

Hi Walt, this started out as a way for someone to be able to look and see if something was a fault or DQ as a reference. I am sure you know that the SOP is about the only place to find
this kind of info. Sometimes it is listed in several locations and we have to look real hard to get the real meaning. Several people were intending to post pictures of these Faults with a notation saying what the fault picture was showing. I thought a general list and then go into each fault and reference the APA SOP.

Great idea. It will also help me find loose ends like the points off for crowhead.

Walt

 

[snowbird]

This is all DQs and will do it this way so it will be easier to ad on as we go.

Roach Back

Web Feet

Duck Feet

Squirrel Tail

Fused Toes

Vulture Hocks

Split Tail

Stubs

Twisted Wing Feather

Bow Leg

Knock Knee

White in Shank & Toe feathering

White ear Lobe

White Wing and Tail feather

Shanks not feathered down outer sides

Specimens lacking in breed characteristics

Shank and Toe Foreign color to that described

Wry Tail

Brown wing bay on BC male

Comb foreign to breed


These would be for Marans

 

[snowbird]

Some FAULTS

Pinched tail

Crooked keel-Breast

Crooked toe

Spur on Female

Missing toe nail

Missing part of a toe

Eyes not matching in color

Blind one eye

White under Color

 

[math ace]

need to add

Split Wing - DQ
Slipped Wing - DQ

Pearl or black eyes - DQ
Brown wing bay on Males ( I better edit here QUICKLY - - - This applies to the BLACK copper marans males.

I only concentrate on BLACK copper marans.

) - DQ

Combs foreign to breed - DQ
Split Combs - DQ
Side Sprigs - DQ

Wry tail - DQ

Thanks Don

 

[snowbird]

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Lisa, most of these are on the first page I believe. I added the others to the list.

 

[math ace]

Faults and DQs on the Marans head.

DQs on the head

Comb foreign to breed

Carnation comb

Comb sprig

Split comb

FULLY lopped comb ( female with a Slightly lopped straight comb that is near or in production shall NOT be penalized)

Beak crossed

Irregular pupil indicating leucosis

White ear lobe

Pearl or black eyes

Blind in Both eyes





FAULTS OF THE HEAD !!!!!!!!

Twisted comb

Thumbprint comb

Irregular Serration of points on comb

Wrinkled wattles

Loose fitting ear lobe

Rear part of comb turning sideways

Wrong amount of points (5 points on single comb)

Comb laying on neck

Ear tufts wrong color

Eye color other than reddish Bay ( but not Pearl or black eyes which are DQs)

Crow head (* * Severe Defect = heavy point deduction)

Eyes not matching in color

Blind one eye





DQ's for other parts of the body . . .

Roach back

Twisted Wing Feather

Brown wing bay on BC male

White wing OR tail feather

Split wing

Slipped wing

Squirrel tail

Wry tail

Split tail

Specimens lacking in breed characteristics

Shank and Toe Foreign color ( standard calls for "light to mid-slate, showing pink between the scales. Bottoms of feet pinkish white.")

Web Feet

Duck Feet

Fused Toes

Vulture Hocks

Stubs

Shanks not feathered down outer sides

Bow Leg

Knock Knee




Faults for other parts of the body...

Crooked keel-Breast

White under color

Feather shafting

Yellow straw color on hackles / neck on BC

Pinched tail

Crooked toe

Spur on female

Missing toe nail

Missing part of a toe

Feathered middle toe

White in Shank & Toe feathering is a fault as long as it is less than one half inch of positive white. ONLY one appearance of more than one half inch of positive white is allowed.
SOP states that more than one appearance of more than one half inch of positive white in any section of the Plumage is a DQ in any section of the Plumage is a DQ



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Don

 

[pinkchick]

Don~ Where are we posting the photo's that match up with each fault or DQ?

Are we just going to post them in here and you will insert them where you need them or should we just PM them to you?

 

[snowbird]

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Kim , just go ahead and post away and put note with the picture saying what the fault or DQ is ok. Myself I plan on writing down on a pad of paper the post numbers with the problem childs.