Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[snowbird]

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I don't post alot on this thread since most times I don't want to get in trouble on BYC and get reported by the Marans group so I just shut up. However this is an ongoing issue with Marans on the lines. Once you get them and breed them they are no longer... Wade Jean etc etc. People claim the lines and have no clue what they have when they mix and match lines and claim Jean, Davis, Presley and they aren't. they are mixed lines, and who knows what they are unless you got them from the person you named. Alot of people claim C1 wade jean but they have to come from 2 people and even then both have said they can't be sure. it's really to bad for the breed, I'm glad to have the Fitch line of Cuckoo Marans and the Cottage Hill line of BCM's. The Cottage hill are easy to trace and our Fitch are person to person thru 3 times from Bill Fitch.


Steve

The website is mydarkeggs.com
here is a link
http://mydarkeggs.com/how_we_got_started
On the Wade Jean line of CBM.

Steve, Do you get any White in wing or tail section, am referring to one or two white feathers in these areas. Most of the BC I have seen have this problem.

 

[halo]

Heres a thread from when Jesse Bryant (Black Copper King) was selling here at BYC, and it turned into a feeding frenzy of sorts.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=65500&p=1

 

[BevDavis]

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No, I don't think it was a sale, I think she found them under a Bethel bush.

Neither - they were here when we moved in. Came with the place. The Marans and the ghosts. Both have been here for over a hundred years.

But now......if I go and win......at a show like Newnan.....or anywhere in the near future......I don't want to hear a single person say they are someone else's birds.

Hi Monique

I haven't heard people ask what line a bird comes from in a show until it wins. If you take females with black breasts I think you have a good chance of winning. From what I hear, there will be a lot of Marans there and should be a good show.

Bev

 

[BevDavis]

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Hi

Very nice bird.

Bev

 

[halo]

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Im confused myself. Heres Ruth's post from 5/24/09:

I am thrilled to report that I will be buying Mr. Jesse's beautiful flock. It is an honor for me to be able to acquire these birds. I was one of the first to buy from Mr. Jesse when he first posted on this thread and, ironically, I will be one of the last to buy from him. I'm so sorry he and his wonderful wife have to give up on this business and the birds they love so well. But I know the birds were well loved and cared for and they will be here as well.

We are currently making arrangements to have new breeder pens and housing built for them and Mr. Jesse has kindly agreed to keep them for another 2-3 weeks till we can get ready for them and go and pick them up.

In the meantime, he is still taking orders for chicks so if you are interested, please buy them from Mr. Jesse.

I'll keep everyone updated once the birds are settled into their new home.

Monique "Ruth"

Im thinking maybe the previous posts have been "tongue in cheek", and Im too dense to get it. No surprises there. All I know is what Ruth has now is just gorgeous.

 

[BevDavis]

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Hi Debbie

Here is the standard that has been written so far but it hasn't been accepted by the APA or gone through the Standards Committee yet. I would have thought that the hackle feathers would be lighter in a bird with the blue gene because the blue gene is a bleaching gene and tends to make gold a lighter color.

Disqualifications
White in ear-lobes. Two or more white feathers in plumage.

Color of Male

Comb, Face, Wattles and Ear-Lobes: Bright red.
Beak: Dark Horn.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Shanks and Toes: Slate, bottom of feet, pinkish white.
Head: Lustrous deep coppery orange.
Neck: Hackle—Lustrous deep coppery orange with narrow blue stripe through the middle of each feather terminating in a point near its lower extremity.
Front of neck—Blue with narrow lacing of deep orange.
Back: Back—Lustrous deep coppery orange.
Saddle—same as hackle.
Tail: Main Tail—Blue with slight luster
Sickles and Coverts—Lustrous blue.
Wings: Shoulders and Fronts—blue.
Bows—Lustrous deep coppery orange to match back.
Coverts—Lustrous blue.
Primaries—Blue.
Secondaries—Blue, with exposed portion forming wing bay, with slight luster.
Breast: Upper breast, blue with narrow lacing of deep coppery orange.
Lower breast—blue.
Body and Stern: Blue.
Legs: Lower Thighs—Blue
Shanks and Toes—Blue.

Bev, if I'm reading and interpreting this correctly, the standard is calling for blue shoulders
on the Blue Copper as opposed to the mahogany red of the Black Copper?

I don't have a Blue Copper roo, just trying to visualize for future reference.

Hi

The markings on a copper blue should be the same as a black cooper. The blue replacing the black.

Bev

 

[geebs]

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I wish I could remember what I read regarding the late feathering gene but I recall that it was not something that you wanted in your flock but I cannot remember why... anyone else out there know what else is driven by this gene????

I remember it was a significant reason... I culled a bird I had planned to keep... I wish I had kept the info on that..It was something like predisposes the to LL or something like that.. something really significant..... You may want to ask Blackdotte or something..

Hi

You will find the information here Click here: genetique angl We have (k+) the late feathering gene in the cuckoo's. I had forgotten all about it until I started developing a black line of Marans and wanted to base the bird on E. I did read that some show people like this gene in a show bird.

Bev
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Yep it had to do with predisposing them the Lymphoid Luekosis (spelling?) That is one to avoid... Don had put a write up not long ago about LL and I was doing some reading and I came across that and I eliminated a bird that I was holding in reserve because of that late gene...I don't know if that is what is afflicting you bird that has a strange maturing pattern.. But my bird matured out late and got the tail last....It was a male... To me yours looks like a male... I have seen this type of maturation rate in other breeds...The tail coming in last...Thanks Bev...The Asiatic gene... the Cochins (an asiatic breed) mature out this way...or at least the LF ones I had did. That must be from the Langshan??? (guessing here)

Kathinmo nnnnnnnice pullet... Kinda makes up for some of those ugly roos don't it??? lol I have a few making nest....so excited...Can't wait to swap egg pix.

Cpartist Nice fashion show....I love your camera....Nice crispy pictures... Love the pic of "roach" back... that is great.. too bad about the fused toe..otherwise what a nice example of the breed... Sorry got tired last night... big day.. sacked out before the review.. It was a real treat to find this morning....Keep em coming!!!! Too bad about the roach back... The copper coloring is so even on him... I too would have culled him but that copper balance is really nice.​

 

[Debbi]

Good morning all you Maransy people!!

My first silly question of the day! I now have two crowing cockerels, one 14 weeks, the other 9 weeks. Both of them starting crowing (sounded more like strangulation!) at 8 weeks. Now I've seen people post about their roos being like 6 months old or better before they crow, is there something to this early crowing?? Could it mean faster maturity? If it is an early maturing thing is this something that should be bred towards?? These boys are NOT from the same clutch, came from different places, both have the Wade Jeane background. Does this make any sense to anyone? And, if the boys are crowing early, will the pullets from the same clutch as the older cockerel mature quicker as well? What say you all?

 

[pinkchick]

Mornin'!!!!!!!

WoW! I had like 10 pages to catch up on......you guys have been very busy.

Debbi~

I have no idea. I have just experienced a very early crower myself, he started at 8 weeks. Normally, my boys start crowing around 3.5 to 4 mos of age so this is a new one on me. I can't wait to read others opinions on this.

 

[cpartist]

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Bev, if I'm reading and interpreting this correctly, the standard is calling for blue shoulders
on the Blue Copper as opposed to the mahogany red of the Black Copper?

I don't have a Blue Copper roo, just trying to visualize for future reference.

Hi

The markings on a copper blue should be the same as a black cooper. The blue replacing the black.

Bev

Thanks Bev...maybe I'm confusing shoulders and wing bows...but I'm still not clear here.
This is the wording of the Black Copper proposed color, cut and pasted from Walt's earlier post:

Wings:
Shoulders: Mahogany Red color.
Bows: Lustrous Deep Copper to match back.
Coverts: Lustrous black forming a black armband.
Primaries: Black.
Secondaries: Black, ( exposed portion forms a lustrous Black Triangular wing bay ).

and the Blue Coppers from above:

Wings: Shoulders and Fronts—blue.
Bows—Lustrous deep coppery orange to match back.
Coverts—Lustrous blue.
Primaries—Blue.
Secondaries—Blue, with exposed portion forming wing bay, with slight luster

The part I'm not clear on "Shoulders: Mahogany Red color." and "Bows: Lustrous Deep Copper to match back"for the Black Copper
vs. "Shoulders and Fronts—blue. " and "Bows—Lustrous deep coppery orange to match back" for the Blue Copper...
no mention of Mahogany Red in this description.

Do I need another cup of coffee to get this ?