Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

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Pink, if we are breeding to the proposed standard, last sentence on standard of Marans states : Outer toes lightly feathered to the end.

edited, to say as vague as it is who is to say how many feathers is lightly. Most of this will be what is called JUDGES decision and that is fine with me.
 
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The current, proposed standard, as posted, calls for "lightly" feathered outer shanks and outer toes - doesn't necessarily say "all the way to the end". Calls for a DQ for feathers on middle or inner toes.

BUT....would someone please address whether or not, they know for a fact, and can prove same, that the proposed shank color has been changed from "slate" or "dark slate" to anything resembling the term "white"?????

Am I the only one who sees this as being something really BIG (as in important)??????
 
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Pink, if we are breeding to the proposed standard, last sentence on standard of Marans states : Outer toes lightly feathered to the end.

edited, to say as vague as it is who is to say how many feathers is lightly. Most of this will be what is called JUDGES decision and that is fine with me.

Hey Don, you're fast. I pulled my info off the MCC website and their Yahoo group - it doesn't say "to the end". Where did you get your info? I'm still trying to find out if there is a more current posted version of the revised proposed standards.
 
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Ruth, the copy I have which is fairly new says lightly feathered to the end. The leg color does not bother me as I kill anything that is close to white leg. The only white should be the bottom of the feet. Why not email Bev Davis and ask her, seems like just recently it was posted on BYC that it would be slate colored.
 
Here's what's posted on the website and Yahoo group of the Marans Club that is writing the proposed standards - first read General Standards of the Marans and then the Standards for the Black Copper Marans:

Posted by Bev - in July 2010 - the "General Standards"

Proposed APA Standard


Standard of the Marans


Disqualifications:
Yellow on shanks or toes. White ear lobes. Feathers on middle or inner toes.

Standard Weights (approved 6/11/10)
Cock….…..8 lbs Hen……6 1/2 lbs
Cockerel….7lbs Pullet…..5 1/2 lbs

Shape—Male (approved 6/11/10)

COMB: Single, moderately large, straight, upright, evenly serrated with five points; the blade not touching the neck.
BEAK: Long, stout and well curved.
FACE: Smooth, skin fine and soft in texture.
EYES: Large and prominent.
WATTLES: Medium in size, oval, skin fine in texture.
EAR-LOBES: Average in size, long.
HEAD: Moderate in size, slightly flattened on top, and long.
NECK: Moderately long and full, arched. Hackle abundant, flowing well over the shoulders.
BACK: Wide at the shoulders, long, flat, slightly tilted to the rear. Slightly more inclined than that of the female.
Saddle feathers -- abundant, saddle large and slightly raised.
TAIL: Full, rather short, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal.
Main tail feathers -- broad and overlapping, shorter than average.
Sickles -- shorter than average.
WINGS: Short, held close to the body, carriage nearly horizontal.
Primaries and secondaries: broad and overlapping in natural order when wing is folded.
BREAST: Strong, broad, and full. Well rounded when viewed from both the front and side.
BODY AND FLUFF: Body -- deep, long and broad, especially through the shoulders which are carried high. Overall, rectangular in shape.
Fluff -- medium in length.
LEGS and TOES: Legs set well apart and straight when viewed from the front.
Lower thighs -- strong and well feathered.
Shanks -- medium length, stout, and straight; lightly feathered down the outer sides.
Toes -- four long and well-separated toes on each foot. Outer toes lightly feathered, middle toes free from feathers.
PLUMAGE: Moderately tight and smooth textured.

Shape—Female (approved 7/09/10)


COMB: Single, smaller than that of the male; straight and upright, evenly serrated with five points, and fine in texture. No female in or near production with the rear portion of the comb lopped should be discriminated against.
BEAK: Long, stout and well curved.
FACE: Smooth, skin fine and soft in texture.
EYES: Large and prominent.
WATTLES: Medium in size, oval.
EAR-LOBES: Average in size, long.
HEAD: Moderate in size, slightly flattened on top, and long.
BACK: Wide at the shoulders, long, flat, and slightly tilted to the rear. Slightly less inclined that that of the male.
NECK: Moderately long and full, arched.
TAIL: Full, rather short, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal.
Main tail feathers -- broad and overlapping, shorter than average.
WINGS: Short, held close to the body, carriage nearly horizontal.
Primaries and secondaries: broad and overlapping in natural order when wing is folded.
BREAST: Strong, broad, and full. Well rounded when viewed from both the front and side.
BODY AND FLUFF: Body -- deep, long and broad, especially through the shoulders which are carried high. Should be more rounded than the male.
Fluff -- medium in length.
LEGS AND TOES: Legs set well apart, straight when viewed from the front.
Lower Thighs -- strong and well feathered.
Shanks -- medium length, stout, and straight; lightly feathered down the outer sides.
Toes -- four long and well-separated toes on each foot. Outer toes lightly feathered, middle toes free from feathers..
PLUMAGE: Moderately tight and smooth textured.


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AND - from their website http://www.maransusa.org

Draft Color Standard for
Black Copper (Brown Red) Marans




Color of Male

Disqualifications:
Brown triangular wing bay. Golden or Straw colored hackles.

The cock:
The Ideal specimen will represent a color balance of Black and Copper. The cock must be Black with Copper finery, the hackles and the small of the back are Copper colored, with a Black or slightly reddish-brown marked breast.

Comb, Face, Wattles and Earlobes: Bright red.
Beak: Dark Horn.
Eyes: Reddish Bay.
Shanks and Toes: Dark Slate, bottom of feet pinkish white.
Head: Deep Strong Red Copper color.
Neck:
Hackle: Deep Copper color (mid-coppery to red-coppery, but not golden or straw colored).
Front of neck: Black with narrow lacing of Deep Copper.
Back:
Back: Lustrous Deep Copper.
Saddle: Deep Copper color matching the hackle.
Tail:
Main Tail: Black with slight luster.
Sickles and Coverts: Lustrous black with glints of beetle Green.
Wings:
Shoulders: Mahogany Red color.
Bows: Lustrous Deep Copper to match back.
Coverts: Lustrous black forming a black armband.
Primaries: Black.
Secondaries: Black (exposed portion forms a lustrous Black Triangular wing bay).
Breast: Black or with slightly Copper marks.
Body and Stern: Black.
Legs & Lower Thighs: Black.
Shank and Toe Feathering: Black.
Ear Down: Brown.


Color of Female

Disqualifications:
Brown spotting on the body.

The Hen:
The hen must be black with a copper hackle.

Comb, Face, Wattles and Earlobes: Bright red.
Beak: Dark horn.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Shanks and Toes: Dark Slate, bottom of feet pinkish white.
Head: Copper (varying from mid-copper to red-copper).
Neck:
Hackle: Copper with a black-colored tip (spreading out almost down to the breast).
Front of neck: Copper.
Back: Black.
Tail: Black.
Wings: Black.
Breast: Black.
Body and Stern: Black.
Legs & Lower Thighs: Black.
Shank and Toe Feathering: Black.
Ear Down: Black.
 
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Ruth, the copy I have which is fairly new says lightly feathered to the end. The leg color does not bother me as I kill anything that is close to white leg. The only white should be the bottom of the feet. Why not email Bev Davis and ask her, seems like just recently it was posted on BYC that it would be slate colored.

The reason it concerns me is I've "heard" it was changed to white but no one will confirm or deny. I know there are those who want it to be closer to the French standard of "pinkish grey".
 
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Pink, if we are breeding to the proposed standard, last sentence on standard of Marans states : Outer toes lightly feathered to the end.

edited, to say as vague as it is who is to say how many feathers is lightly. Most of this will be what is called JUDGES decision and that is fine with me.

Hey Don, you're fast. I pulled my info off the MCC website and their Yahoo group - it doesn't say "to the end". Where did you get your info? I'm still trying to find out if there is a more current posted version of the revised proposed standards.

I printed by info off the mcc website but it could be out dated.
 
Here are some shots of my BCM roo . . . He is the only roo I have, so for now I have to work with him. THESE ARE HIS FAULTS - -
1.) His tail is WAY TOO HIGH.
2.) His back is too short.
3.) His comb has issues - - UGLY ISSUES. HOW MANY points do you see on his comb. . . I know we don't count the points on his blade. His Blade looks bad to me too - - IS IT ? ?

Here are some of the good things about him . .
1.) His statue - - - He is a chunky monkey.
2.) His coloring is good. The FIRST picture shows his accurate coloring. The sun is playing tricks on the second picture.

I do welcome any other comments. If I missed a fault or an area of concern - - please point it out to me.

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Ruth, the copy I have which is fairly new says lightly feathered to the end. The leg color does not bother me as I kill anything that is close to white leg. The only white should be the bottom of the feet. Why not email Bev Davis and ask her, seems like just recently it was posted on BYC that it would be slate colored.

Ruth, you are right the copy I have is outdated. Walt said today that the final writing is supposed to be done so there will be a few more changes probably.
 
Let's talk LOVE CONNECTIONS - - -

I am hooking up the roo in post #4428 with this BCM hen.

THIS is what I SEE when I look at her . . . . . . . . ..
She is not as big as I would picture a "dual purpose" bird. In my eyes, she could use some help with size.
I think there is room for her tail to have a slightly higher angle too.
I don't think it would hurt her to have a little more coppering either.

IS this what you are seeing? If so, then my roo should help her produce some better offspring.

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IF I am totally off base on my analysis of her - - TELL ME -- PLEASE ! !
 

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