Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[snowbird]

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Real good pictures on page #20 of the SOP. Don

I went to the library and tried to check out some books on chicken standards or chicken breeding and there are NONE in the whole DUVAL county . . . One of the largest counties in Florida and NOTHING

I haven't bothered to buy the standard book because I think someone said the new standard would not be in it because it was being approved to late.

NOW is the SOP the same book that I am talking about or is it something else??

ALSO, while I have you on the World Wide Web - - - please, give me the name of that author you recommended before. I am going to have to look online for her book since I KNOW our library system does not carry it !

The man is Morley Jull and book is "Poultry Breeding" he also has several books published. Even though the SOP will not have Marans, it does have info. for all breeds that will help with raising poultry, I use mine all the time.Look on line and see if you can find a used one. Don

 

[math ace]

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Don,

I will have to try again tomorrow. I just did a search on ebay and half.com and was not able to find

Morely
Jull
Poultry breeding
OR
Standard of perfection.

I will look some more tomorrow. I just got everyone off to bed and am a little tired.

 

[Mahonri]

What no chick pics..

 

[cpartist]

Lisa-
Ask your library if they will do an intra-library loan. Alachua County has 6 copies of the 2001 SOP and I've been able to
renew twice, so they are available. I would not buy an old edition as the new edition is coming out soon...and looks to have better illustrations.

I was able to get a copy of Hull's "Genetics of the Fowl" from another state this way, and have been slowly plowing through it.
Fasinating reading and lots of info regarding egg color, producitvity, etc.

We have a great library system, but the highest property taxes in the state, so I take full advantage

.

 

[geebs]

I have posted a new topic... Those of you that have a kind heart and a prayin bone... Please find it... Geebsie aint having a good week at all...

 

[VillageChicken]

Another genetics comment regarding the balance of copper/brown fluff and black.

What if a hen with good copper coloring and no brown fluff is only heterozygous for Melanotic? According to the Aussie website, they should be Ml/Ml (homozygous). But maybe the MlMl homozygous melanotic birds are the ones with little or no hackle coloring? If then the Mahogany gene comes into play with the Melanotic, it could be a very specific combination of Mahogany and Melanotic genes that create the perfect bird.

In theory they are both supposed to be dominant, in most cases, meaning that one copy of the gene produces the same effect as two. But in the "dark egg" thread, someone commented that the 3 combinations of MhMh Mhmh and mhmh for mahogany are responsible for the 3 hackle colors in BCM's, even though one copy of Mahogany is supposed to produce the same effect as 2.

Real world human example: mom has brown eyes, dad has blue. Brown is dominant. Baby has brown eyes like mom, and carries the blue gene from dad, but his eyes are just as brown as mom's. This is complete dominance, and is how the Mahogany gene in theory is supposed to work. But if it's responsible for the 3 hackle colors as stated above, then it is not completely dominant as stated on a chicken genetics website. I have a question in to Blackdotte about this.

If this perfect BCM combination of Melanotic and Mahogany is not homozygous for both, then the odds of these ideal hens or roosters producing similar offspring are greatly reduced - to 1 in 8!

I think the Melanotic gene is even more tricky, and perhaps responsible for all the frustration with mossiness, brown feathers, and lack of hackle.
Add to that recessive melanizers that hide beneath the surface and finding the perfect genetic combination is like finding a needle in a haystack.

I am very interested to see the results of Don's single matings this winter.

 

[Mahonri]

So why don't Maran's breeders forget feather colors and just concentrate on egg color?

or would that make it too simple?

 

[dsqard]

Quote:
Don,

I will have to try again tomorrow. I just did a search on ebay and half.com and was not able to find

Morely
Jull
Poultry breeding
OR
Standard of perfection.

I will look some more tomorrow. I just got everyone off to bed and am a little tired.

Just stumbled across this and you can find the Poultry Breeding book on Amazon. The author's full name is Morley Allan Jull. Hope this helps!

 

[math ace]

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Found it - -- - Don, this book was written in the 1940's and has not been reprinted since then. .. .
I am not questioning the content. I am sure it is excellent. What I am questioning is how good of shape the book will be in when I get it - - - used - - from someone online. I can just picturing opening up the package and the book falling apart in my hands.

So, my question is - - - do you like any other books that may of been more recently reprinted ? ? ?

CPARTIST - - I will try the interlibrary loan request.

 

[math ace]

SNOWBIRD - -
Have you read anything from - - Miller Purvis ? ??

Specifically have you read his "Poultry Breeding: a complete guide for keepers of poultry ? ?

This book is older than the book you suggested, but the complete book is online for "FREE".