Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[Chickielady]

maybe that is why he is mad !
And a cat is something to take the frustrations out on...had another tell me recently their roo was such a a** and so mean to everyone, until they put him in a pen with a couple pullets and now he is such a cooing pussycat !
Such are males !

 

[snowbird]

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Ruth, In the APA SOP there is no Black Copper classification, so anything not covered in the proposed standard will be in the Brown Red class, and we all know the BC breed like BC and not like Brown Reds. Check out the Brown Red color variety standard in the APA. Don

Okay - so is there a "fix" for this problem or are you saying that's just the way it will be - Black Coppers will be judged as Brown Reds because everything wasn't spelled out in the Black Copper proposed standard????? Can't "they" still add whatever they want until it is accepted - and I understand the next acceptance meet is Feb. in Newnan, GA????

I brought up some things before that should of been included and was told everyone was given a chance to voice their opinion and that I was not a member. That was really funny since I joined middle of last year. Walt, will be back shortly and we can ask him again to explain. He gave his explaination of what I stated above a while back.

 

[math ace]

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I have two definite pullets that have short tails (shorter than the roos they hatched with). My little splash cockeral has a long tail. I thought he was a girl for awhile but now he has red red wattles and big red comb for a baby anyways. I beginning to think..ya never know till they crow lol.

Lisa, that sounds like chicken math!

This last clutch, my cockerels tails grew out way before the pullets. In fact, the boys feathered out faster all around.

I have been reading the last 5 pages of posts - - - so please take the following in the humorous way it was intended:

It must be the WHEATON influnence in your birds that is causing the improper feathering of the chicks . . . .

TRUE BCM's pullets will ALWAYS feather early !

"Everyone understands I am JOKING - - - no nasty posts required !"

 

[Darth Egger]

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It may well be coming from Wheatens. It may well be one of those "wheaten influences" you guys were referring to.

But it doesn't mean that you're going to suddenly have Wheatens hatching about all over the place. The bird is either...in oversimplified terms: "half wheaten" or it's not, and that's pretty easy to determine. In any case, it looks like a Black Copper. Having an assumed "wheaten influence" (we're all assuming here on that, right?) does not equate to Wheatens popping up and eating your BCMs.

What I think I'm saying is that if these truly are "wheaten influences", then they are just coincidental strings of traits that belong to wheatens and are lingering, but they themselves aren't going to make a bird carry or throw wheatens.

 

[Debbi]

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I have had an episode like that not too long ago when some family came over, brother brought his new honey, and when they got outta the car my marans flock ran over to see who had goodies and this new girl screamed and ran to pin herself against the car...terrified. She explained that she has always heard that chicken are mean !
And she is a school teacher hmmm:/
I also want to thank everyone for the awesome info and all the input...good to learn~

haha its a good thing you have 'the nice' chickens. Be funny if one jumped in the car and waited for her when she got back in lol.
I do have one dark blue copper roo who can be nasty. He attacked the cat yesterday..no clue why. He doesn't get to run around though unless under strict supervision.

Oh Lawdy! That reminds me of my friend's city Mom and Aunt coming down to her place one time. She had all kinds of kid goats running around the yard. The ladies were terrified! "Can we get out of the car?? Will they hurt us??" No way, they are just babies, you're fine. So the two old gals get gingerly out of the car. One little buck kid had never seen a dress before, (no need for one on the farm!), so this kid promptly sticks his little head with nubbins up under her dress!

I wish I had a video recorder that day! Her Mom is running and shreiking, and flapping her arms while the kid goat is right there with her all the way!! I thought I had split a gut I laughed so hard!

Needless to say, the two old gals NEVER came back to the farm! I'll never forget that

 

[Debbi]

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It may well be coming from Wheatens. It may well be one of those "wheaten influences" you guys were referring to.

But it doesn't mean that you're going to suddenly have Wheatens hatching about all over the place. The bird is either...in oversimplified terms: "half wheaten" or it's not, and that's pretty easy to determine. In any case, it looks like a Black Copper. Having an assumed "wheaten influence" (we're all assuming here on that, right?) does not equate to Wheatens popping up and eating your BCMs.

What I think I'm saying is that if these truly are "wheaten influences", then they are just coincidental strings of traits that belong to wheatens and are lingering, but they themselves aren't going to make a bird carry or throw wheatens.



They sure will if you continue to breed them.

 

[flgardengirl]

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Yeah he is probably mad because he has been in a bachelor pen lately. Poor cat was just sitting there and I let the roo out in the morning, he went and ate his food and then ran up to the cat who just sat there (because they are usually friends) and the roo just jumped at her with his spurs and then chased her around the yard.
I hope he wasn't trying to mate her...

OMG Debbi!! That is hysterical- I can just see that! I always thought it would be cool to have some baby goats running around. That would of been a great video for America's Funniest Videos! That lady probably about had a stroke.

Math Ace: LOLOL!!

 

[Darth Egger]

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It may well be coming from Wheatens. It may well be one of those "wheaten influences" you guys were referring to.

But it doesn't mean that you're going to suddenly have Wheatens hatching about all over the place. The bird is either...in oversimplified terms: "half wheaten" or it's not, and that's pretty easy to determine. In any case, it looks like a Black Copper. Having an assumed "wheaten influence" (we're all assuming here on that, right?) does not equate to Wheatens popping up and eating your BCMs.

What I think I'm saying is that if these truly are "wheaten influences", then they are just coincidental strings of traits that belong to wheatens and are lingering, but they themselves aren't going to make a bird carry or throw wheatens.



They sure will if you continue to breed them.

Please see differences between ER and eWh. Everything else is just incidental and does not create a Wheaten.

edit: this may help, or not: http://frenchmaransclubaustralia.yolasite.com/notes-on-breeding.php

 

[The Point]

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You are welcome! It was really hard to get good pictures. You just can't see the detail in the pictures that you could in real life. I have more pictures, but have animals to take care of, trash to haul to the road and laundry to do, blah blah blah

The roo's name is "Billy bad a$$" Which is a huge joke because he is the sweetest thing. They mahogany is my personal favorite. I don't have any girls that need him right now, so he takes care of the laying pen.

 

[Darth Egger]

n.smithurmond :

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I know what you're saying, I just hope I can word it right! If you can actually SEE the influences in a bird, that would be a hint as to what's behind it. On the other hand, if you had say ten birds from the same roo and different hens, then you may get some normal colored BCMs and get some WI (wheaton influenced) birds. The rub lies with the birds that come across as "normal" BCM. It would take two recessive genes (one from the roo, one from the hen) to express itself in the chick. So if the WI is not expressed in the chick, it still has the one recessive gene from the roo. Now, breed that chick to the daddy, and bingo, you've got two recessive genes again. If you breed it to an outside source, you may or may not know if they are carrying the gene...and so it goes. A crap shoot until you breed, but the ones that physically display the color influences would be a good hint as to what's back there! Phew...I'm spent!

Right, that's a good explanation. So hens can also carry the recessive gene? Can it ever be physically identified like with the roos?​

It cannot be physically identified by visual inspection alone. These statements are conjecture at best. Every bird with a cottony tuft is not carrying Wheaten.