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Medicated vs. non-medicated?

205.601 Synthetic substances allowed for use in organic crop production.

In accordance with restrictions specified in this section, the following synthetic substances may be used in organic crop production: Provided, That, use of such substances do not contribute to contamination of crops, soil, or water. Substances allowed by this section, except disinfectants and sanitizers in paragraph (a) and those substances in paragraphs (c), (j), (k), and (l) of this section, may only be used when the provisions set forth in § 205.206 (a) through (d) prove insufficient to prevent or control the target pest.

(a) As algicide, disinfectants, and sanitizer, including irrigation system cleaning systems.

(1) Alcohols.

(i) Ethanol.

(ii) Isopropanol.

(2) Chlorine materials - Except, That, residual chlorine levels in the water shall not exceed the maximum residual disinfectant limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act.

(i) Calcium hypochlorite.

(ii) Chlorine dioxide.

(iii) Sodium hypochlorite.

(3) Copper sulfate--for use as an algicide in aquatic rice systems, is limited to one application per field during any 24-month period. Application rates are limited to those which do not increase baseline soil test values for copper over a timeframe agreed upon by the producer and accredited certifying agent.

(4) Hydrogen peroxide.

(5) Ozone gas--for use as an irrigation system cleaner only.

(6) Peracetic acid--for use in disinfecting equipment, seed, and asexually propagated planting material.

(7) Soap-based algicide/demossers.

(b) As herbicides, weed barriers, as applicable.

(1) Herbicides, soap-based - for use in farmstead maintenance (roadways, ditches, right of ways, building perimeters) and ornamental crops.

(2) Mulches.

(i) Newspaper or other recycled paper, without glossy or colored inks.

(ii) Plastic mulch and covers (petroleum-based other than polyvinyl chloride (PVC)).

(c) As compost feedstocks.

Newspapers or other recycled paper, without glossy or colored inks.

(d) As animal repellents.

Soaps, ammonium - for use as a large animal repellant only, no contact with soil or edible portion of crop.

(e) As insecticides (including acaricides or mite control).

(1) Ammonium carbonate - for use as bait in insect traps only, no direct contact with crop or soil.

(2) Boric acid - structural pest control, no direct contact with organic food or crops.

(3) Copper Sulfate - for use as tadpole shrimp control in aquatic rice production, is limited to one application per field during any 24-month period. Application rates are limited to levels which do not increase baseline soil test values for copper over a timeframe agreed upon by the producer and accredited certifying agent.

(4) Elemental sulfur.

(5) Lime sulfur - including calcium polysulfide.

(6) Oils, horticultural - narrow range oils as dormant, suffocating, and summer oils..

(7) Soaps, insecticidal.

(8) Sticky traps/barriers.

(f) As insect management. Pheromones.

(g) As rodenticides.

(1) Sulfur dioxide - underground rodent control only (smoke bombs).

(2) Vitamin D3.

(h) As slug or snail bait - None.

(i) As plant disease control.

(1) Coppers, fixed - copper hydroxide, copper oxide, copper oxychloride, includes products exempted from EPA tolerance, Provided, That, copper-based materials must be used in a manner that minimizes accumulation in the soil and shall not be used as herbicides.

(2) Copper sulfate - Substance must be used in a manner that minimizes accumulation of copper in the soil.

(3) Hydrated lime.

(4) Hydrogen peroxide.

(5) Lime sulfur.

(6) Oils, horticultural, narrow range oils as dormant, suffocating, and summer oils.

(7) Peracetic acid - for use to control fire blight bacteria.

(8) Potassium bicarbonate.

(9) Elemental sulfur.

(10) Streptomycin, for fire blight control in apples and pears only.

(11) Tetracycline (oxytetracycline calcium complex), for fire blight control only.

(j) As plant or soil amendments.

(1) Aquatic plant extracts (other than hydrolyzed) - Extraction process is limited to the use of potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide; solvent amount used is limited to that amount necessary for extraction.

(2) Elemental sulfur.

(3) Humic acids - naturally occurring deposits, water and alkali extracts only.

(4) Lignin sulfonate - chelating agent, dust suppressant, floatation agent.

(5) Magnesium sulfate - allowed with a documented soil deficiency.

(6) Micronutrients - not to be used as a defoliant, herbicide, or desiccant. Those made from nitrates or chlorides are not allowed. Soil deficiency must be documented by testing.

(i) Soluble boron products.

(ii) Sulfates, carbonates, oxides, or silicates of zinc, copper, iron, manganese, molybdenum, selenium, and cobalt.

(7) Liquid fish products - can be pH adjusted with sulfuric, citric or phosphoric acid. The amount of acid used shall not exceed the minimum needed to lower the pH to 3.5.

(8) Vitamins, B1, C, and E.

(k) As plant growth regulators. Ethylene gas - for regulation of pineapple flowering.

(l) As floating agents in postharvest handling.

(1) Lignin sulfonate.

(2) Sodium silicate - for tree fruit and fiber processing.

(m) As synthetic inert ingredients as classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), for use with nonsynthetic substances or synthetic substances listed in this section and used as an active pesticide ingredient in accordance with any limitations on the use of such substances.

(1) EPA List 4 - Inerts of Minimal Concern.

(2) EPA List 3 - Inerts of unknown toxicity - for use only in passive pheromone dispensers.

(n)-(z) [Reserved]

[65 FR 80656, Dec. 21, 2000, as amended at 68 FR 61992, Oct. 31, 2003]


This is the list of allowable pesticides per USDA guidelines. If you want the real facts (disappointing as they are) go to www.usda.gov and search "organic" You will find that *most* organic truly is more hype than benefit.
 
I guess I don't see what exactly is offensive? Most the 'harsh' stuff is utilized for cleaning of irrigation pipes. And with all these, you have to have soil analysis to show your certification officer before application. It just looks like a bunch of natural stuff , but which has to be created through a chemical or mechanical process... like lime, is natural, but is considered 'synthetic' when hydrated.

Even better, here is a list by brand name of what you can and cannot use:

http://agr.wa.gov/FoodAnimal/Organic/Certificate/2006/Materials/BNMLSortedbyBrandName.pdf

I would argue if you looked at a similar list of products/ingredients/chemicals used under traditional agriculture (and especially orchards) your stomach would turn.
 
I live in western SD where a person would actually think I would have a choice between medicated and non-medicated feed. Nope. I can only find medicated chick feed.

It was my understanding based on everything that I had read that chicks shouldn't get the medicated feed past eight weeks of age, but the feed store just said to go ahead and give the medicated feed until twenty weeks when I will switch over to the layer feed.

Which is correct?
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I have always fed chick starter with Amprolium only (no Nutrena or others with other 'stuff') as a start & grow product, the only type available to me. Can't find separate starter and grower here. I have birds in glowing good health, just ask people who've seen my birds; they get that feed till they are of laying age. No problems whatsover from feeding it. I'd rather avoid a cocci outbreak if I can in my very moist environment here.
Now, if I had the choice of an unmedicated grower, I'd probably switch them over to that at about 12 weeks old.
(I don't care about organic because I can't afford organic, period. I am just trying to survive. Doesn't matter if its better for me or not, the $$$ just isn't there, so no amt of convincing matters.)
 
I am curious as to whether it is alright if my leghorns eat that chick starter for about a week, especially if we are hatching and not eating or selling eggs at the moment. Apparently they were getting into the feedbag of the chick starter and I just want to make sure that is alright under these circumstances, because they are right about 1 year old now. Thanks!
 
New to hens here. They have Cocci & are nearly a year old. One died in her sleep last night.
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One is inside but doing better after administering herbs & Colloidal Silver, garlic, & Gatorade, raw honey with water.

I just discovered that I have Ambrolium here. Will this help them now that have got the Cocci? How much should I give? My neighbor passed it to me for my cat & it doesn't really have directions for chickens.

The cat directions are a 1/2 CC a day for twelve days on, 12 days off, then retreat for 12 more days. Can I add this to their water?
 

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