Midnight B/S

[Kev]

I agree with the other responses. The pro to getting a Midnight male would be finding out if your bs hens are midnights(all sons Midnights), or Midnight splits(boys come both Midnight and regular BS) or not even split(all sons regular BS). The reason I don't even mention the daughters is because you can't tell visually if they are a Midnight or not.

The con would be if the hens were not even Midnight then buying a Midnight male is kind of an extra expense.. unless you want one to look at in your own yard without further waiting.

If you can't find a Midnight or want to wait, would again recommend breeding your male and females together in case they are splits, like they were in my case.

I also heartily agree with splits being great- that way you know they are being mixed up with unrelated blood.

 

[tpainter3]

Here are pictures of our Black Shoulder Midnight Peacock...

 

[deerman]

ok here is a pic, of my purple split Blackshoulder......note the area on the shoulder where the wing folds...the small area of brown(cause bs purple have brown shoulders). Now in case your midnight was split bs that area would be black....only blues and midnight show black shoulders.

Hope that will help people see how you can tell a BS split....just remember other colors most will not be black.....reason the name blaclshoulder....sounds crazy in other colors

 

[deerman]

breeding with split birds...is ok.....but need to keep GREAT RECORDS....


its one of the evils you have to deal with when adding new colors to patterns.




Myself i hate waiting , but had to wait with a few of my peach silver pied peacocks, why because the father was a silver pied split peach mated to silver pied hens.....so only 50% of his sons where split peach, had to wait until they produce peach chicks untill i knew.......so breeding split is part of it.


knowing sure can make a split bird worth alot more.....like a silver pied split peach or charcoal sure worth alot more than a non split silver pied....Price a peach silver pied peacock ,or a charcoal silver pied peacock...they would be about 3 or 4 times the price of a split one.....ODDS of finding one for sale would be rare......so good reason to breed from split birds........like my charcoal silver pied peacock.....thats a 1,000 bird

 

[frenchblackcopper]

tpainter3,,your Midnight B/S is what I want,,what I expected to get from my specifically bought pure Midnight B/S eggs,,your male need a new home? My male doesn't resemble yours at all,,not even close,,,his wing feathers are black,shoulder feathers are all black,,,his neck feathers are typical India Blue,,he is a "Mutt" in my opinion,,sure he is a B/S,probably India Blue,maybe with Midnight mixed in,,but I have located a Midnight B/S Male for sale,and it has to be equal to the looks of yours.I can see the benefits of splits,,but for me starting out,,I want to know EXACTLY what I have,and predict correctly what will hatch out from those pairings.We raise West German working-show class lines German Shepherds,,,it takes work and effort,anyone can throw a pair of same species in a pen and let them breed,,but until I get better at understanding the over 200 color varieties,,patterns,sex linked,ect on peacocks,,it is so much easier to start with same color like birds,,and not concentrate on splits or mixing too many colors and patterns.I didn't buy "split to midnight" eggs from this character,,I still have the sheets with pen numbers from them noteing which eggs I got came from which pen.I was dupped,,and will never buy from this breeder again.

 

[deerman]

tpainter3,,your Midnight B/S is what I want,,what I expected to get from my specifically bought pure Midnight B/S eggs,,your male need a new home? My male doesn't resemble yours at all,,not even close,,,his wing feathers are black,shoulder feathers are all black,,,his neck feathers are typical India Blue,,he is a "Mutt" in my opinion,,sure he is a B/S,probably India Blue,maybe with Midnight mixed in,,but I have located a Midnight B/S Male for sale,and it has to be equal to the looks of yours.I can see the benefits of splits,,but for me starting out,,I want to know EXACTLY what I have,and predict correctly what will hatch out from those pairings.We raise West German working-show class lines German Shepherds,,,it takes work and effort,anyone can throw a pair of same species in a pen and let them breed,,but until I get better at understanding the over 200 color varieties,,patterns,sex linked,ect on peacocks,,it is so much easier to start with same color like birds,,and not concentrate on splits or mixing too many colors and patterns.I didn't buy "split to midnight" eggs from this character,,I still have the sheets with pen numbers from them noteing which eggs I got came from which pen.I was dupped,,and will never buy from this breeder again.

I don't think you are wrong for being upset...

The time you have wasted...i would be upset.

In one of your post something about split to IB peafowl CAN'T BE SPLIT BLUE.

 

[AquaEyes]

I don't think you are wrong for being upset...
The time you have wasted...i would be upset.
In one of your post something about split to IB peafowl CAN'T BE SPLIT BLUE.

For everyone who gets confused by this:

An easy general rule to understand when it's consistently used is how the term "split" fits in. In traditional genetics-speak, you write the traits you see first, then the word "split" or a slash ( / ), then the traits the bird carries but doesn't show fully. For incompletely-dominant traits (like White Eyed), you can use the terms Single-Factored or Double-Factored (or abbreviated as SF or DF), again before the "split" since you can "see" the trait when there is only one copy of the gene, and if you can't see it, it isn't there.

If you understand the correct usage, you'll understand why you can't have a bird that's split to IB. If it has one copy of the IB color, you see the IB color, therefore it goes before the word "split." If you don't see any IB color, then the bird is homozygous for something else.

So if you have a blue peacock with half of his ocelli white and the other half normal, and you know that the bird's father was Bronze colored, you would say that your peacock is IB Single-Factor White Eye split to Bronze.

The weird exceptions are the White and Pied genes. People say "split to Pied" or "Split to White" as though they're recessive, but because the splits usually show some white, technically you're seeing some of the trait, so they might be considered incompletely-dominant. And Black Shouldered -- in males, the splits have an intermediate wing pattern, suggesting that the gene is incompletely dominant, while in females, you can't tell them from peahens that aren't split, suggesting that the gene is recessive. I remember learning about other genes which behave differently according to sex, but that's for another day.

 

[deerman]

The seller of these eggs never said they was "split" to India Blue,,matter of fact I paid extra twice for these eggs to be added to shipments I got from winning 3 auctions.I still have his pen chart list showing the eggs I got came from all Midnights.With the possibility of all being split to India Blue,and Blue being dominate,,even if I buy a color correct Midnight B/S Male,,I would never raise any Midnight color correct offspring,,,this is correct? Maybe I should just run the "mutt" B/S male I have with the hens and sell as India Blue B/S,,and not put the color Midnight anywhere on offspring raised or sold??

What i would do with these birds, for sure they are bs, and not being sure if he is split midnight, same with the bs hens...not sure ...breed them and if selling chicks tell people they are bs with odds they maybe split midnight(my guess they are).25% odds on the chicks being bs midnight. Reason i think they are split, the seller of the eggs though they were, my guess bet some of his hens were splits.

Then if you get any midnights ,you will know they are split midnights.


As far as "MUTTS" that would be spaldings
...a bird split to another color is worth more than those not......In the case of your GS dog a blk and tan split to black...it still a pure GS just carry gene for another color.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

I was using the word "mutt" in reference to "who's your momma,and who's your daddy" suprise offspring that can come out.I like to know exactly what the offspring is,,visibly that is before they will hatch.,,I know split genetics may not show visually,,and is only of value if bred to another like split bird or male that will produce the "split" colors that are hidden..My intentions was NOT to start breeding with a large number of split genetics,,,now I have one Peacock that in my opinion,is useless in my breeding goals this year.For the past two years I have bought eggs that about 85% was straight one color varieties,,those being India Blue,,Purple,Opal,Cameo,Bronze.Some of these purchases didn't result in a male hatching so now I have some single hens.I would rather seek out same exact color males to put with these hens,or not breed them until I do get correct males.One example is the three Purple hens I have and no Purple male to go with them,,and if I want true Purple offspring from these 3 hens,I need a pure Purple male.I didn't hap-hazardly buy fertile hatching eggs from sellers who couldn't accurately know what the peachicks would be.I sought out auctions mainly of same color eggs,,such as Purple,Purple B/S,Midnight B/S,Opal,Cameo B/S,Cameo,Cameo W/E,The few "mixed egg" auctions I did id and win,I asked before the auctions end about getting more than one egg,of a particular color,,and if they could not make sure at least two eggs was sent,I quit or didn't bid.I did plan on starting with only 1-2 mixed pens,one with my Charcoal W/E male,and another possibly with Emerald Pied Spaldings,, Record keeping is much easier if all parents are the same color,genetics,,,,with nothing hidden as a "split to",,,I can eventually breed to get these splits and know exactly whats in their lineage.Didn't mean to offend,,but this first breeding season is starting out all wrong because of a breeder-seller who either didn't keep accurate records,was wanting to make more money per egg by intentionally misleading me,should have culled his breeding male because he doesn't match the color he's supposed to,,or he don't know how to build fence and pen all birds correctly.For his honest or unknowing mistake,,or done on purpose,, I'm the one who is stuck with it now.

 

[deerman]

I was using the word "mutt" in reference to "who's your momma,and who's your daddy" suprise offspring that can come out.I like to know exactly what the offspring is,,visibly that is before they will hatch.,,I know split genetics may not show visually,,and is only of value if bred to another like split bird or male that will produce the "split" colors that are hidden..My intentions was NOT to start breeding with a large number of split genetics,,,now I have one Peacock that in my opinion,is useless in my breeding goals this year.For the past two years I have bought eggs that about 85% was straight one color varieties,,those being India Blue,,Purple,Opal,Cameo,Bronze.Some of these purchases didn't result in a male hatching so now I have some single hens.I would rather seek out same exact color males to put with these hens,or not breed them until I do get correct males.One example is the three Purple hens I have and no Purple male to go with them,,and if I want true Purple offspring from these 3 hens,I need a pure Purple male.I didn't hap-hazardly buy fertile hatching eggs from sellers who couldn't accurately know what the peachicks would be.I sought out auctions mainly of same color eggs,,such as Purple,Purple B/S,Midnight B/S,Opal,Cameo B/S,Cameo,Cameo W/E,The few "mixed egg" auctions I did id and win,I asked before the auctions end about getting more than one egg,of a particular color,,and if they could not make sure at least two eggs was sent,I quit or didn't bid.I did plan on starting with only 1-2 mixed pens,one with my Charcoal W/E male,and another possibly with Emerald Pied Spaldings,, Record keeping is much easier if all parents are the same color,genetics,,,,with nothing hidden as a "split to",,,I can eventually breed to get these splits and know exactly whats in their lineage.Didn't mean to offend,,but this first breeding season is starting out all wrong because of a breeder-seller who either didn't keep accurate records,was wanting to make more money per egg by intentionally misleading me,should have culled his breeding male because he doesn't match the color he's supposed to,,or he don't know how to build fence and pen all birds correctly.For his honest or unknowing mistake,,or done on purpose,, I'm the one who is stuck with it now.

man its ok ...wasn't offend at all .. i just want to clear up mutts....to me its the spalding not color mixing.I for sure would be smoking mad with getting wrong eggs, then two years later find out they are wrong.

Give you some good advice make the Mt Hope auction hundred of peafowl will be there...even breeders like Brad Legg will have some fine birds there.Heck i may even make the auction. my guess a purple w.e peacock price around 100 or if lucky lower.look like you could use cameo peacock ,and maybe some hens split charcoal...don't get charcoal hens they don't lay.

know what you mean about some of those egg auction...like the guy who posted a mixed pen of birds ...with most colors all together....which mean most chicks would be blue split to another color.

really should check out the auction....right before breeding season too.