Missouri Dominique Project

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  1. centrarchid

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    Several years back I got interested in American Dominiques. That was in part because of my grandmother that operated a hatching egg production operation for a local hatchery always talked about them with high regard. Then a co-worker gave an cock that one the best of of class at Missouri state fair a few years back. I then set out to acquire American Dominiques from various sources and found they differed greatly with some looking very strongly to have Barred Plymouth Rock mixed in. It was also apparent the better show birds deviated not only from what descriptions of American Dominique were back in the early part of the last century, they also look even more different from the dunghills that had actual significance to small poultry raisers. So what I did it split the effort into two projects with both coming into year seven.

    First is with pure American Dominiques based largely on the Voter strain. The cock was mostly if not all Voter and I also got four Voter hens from Fred Farthing. Breeding with that group and some of the others resulting in only a little additional blood also coming from Fred Farthing being carried forward. Other birds either infirm or deviated too much from what I was trying to achieve.

    Second is the Missouri Dominique project where Cackle Strain American Dominiques were crossed with my American Game strain with subsequent infusions of Voter strain resulting in birds that are between 1/2 and 3/4 American Dominique. Emphasis to date has been on type and growth rate although always at least one parent had to carry one copy of barred, rose comb and extended black alleles. I am not out the point where most are homozygous for those alleles while conserving type and getting mature weights very similar to what is expected for American Dominiques. One more challenge is ahead to match that Dominique dunghill of old and it involves leg color.

    The older version of Dominiques did not have yellow legs or skin that is allegedly infused by crossing with Black Java's. Rather the old style Dominiques had white legs. I am now looking for American Games that carry the white leg genetics to make that final introduction of new blood.
     
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    Following.
     
  3. centrarchid

    centrarchid Chicken Obsessed

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    This is a long-term effort. Completing expected to be in the 2030's. That is assuming I am not booted from here owing to game fowl interests.
     
  4. centrarchid

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    If all goes well, the vessel below will be introducing the white leg color into the Missouri Dominique.


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    He will be bred to a hen that is known to have extended black. Of that mating, only pullets hatched in black down, barred and having white legs will have a shot at seeing the breeding pen. From that point on, only their decedents with all those characters will be bred. It will take several generations to get all birds at least with white leg phenotype, then a couple more get get so all are homozygous for white legs. The game rooster will pull size down a little but previous size reductions were easy to reverse.
     
  5. miss heny

    miss heny Genetic Expert in learning Premium Member

    Posting to follow. I love Doms but the LF seem too BR to me, the bantams from cackle though weren't.
     
  6. centrarchid

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    I am pretty sure some of large fowl Doms are part BR to aid with feathersexing. Those from Cackle are not.
     
  7. miss heny

    miss heny Genetic Expert in learning Premium Member

    oh so cackle has "pure" doms then? More and more I respect them.
     
  8. centrarchid

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    Cackles are pure. They have at least recently had very respected American Dominique breeders involved with their efforts.
     
  9. miss heny

    miss heny Genetic Expert in learning Premium Member

    :thumbup I probably will be ordering 50 bantams from them this year then and try to get some LF to preserve. Out of all the hatcheries I have dealt with I have the most respect for cackle and their works.
     
  10. centrarchid

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    F1 American Dominique by American Game.




    This guy is an F2 American Dominique x American Game. He did not leave progeny. Growth and type too game like. Feathers were good in terms of hardness and color.

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    His sisters were bred back to an American Dominique to yield these dudes. First grew well but het for barred. Tail also like American Dominique which is to be bred out. Like several similar brothers not bred.
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    Brother below with type and color not too bad. Comb het for rose and pea giving a walnut look.
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    He was bred to a black female F2 to yield this guy whose sisters are all barred although some do not carry extended black allele. Comb het for rose. This guy like his uncles of previous generation in terms of color but he has his fathers tail. His brothers all have same kind of desirable tail on what approximates an American Dominique body. Mature weight over 6 lbs but with strong light bones of American Game.
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    Combs of this guy's sisters all over the place. He and his brother will be bred to their sisters this coming spring. Genetic Diversity still high. Another line will be setup based on crele-colored American Game above bred to the best American Dominique pullet I have. That line will be be used to fix white legs.
     

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