Muscovies in US - REGULATION CHANGES OPEN FOR COMMENTS - 10/1 update

[Mac_]

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You are probably right about the weight.

 

[muscovychef]

Wow this is still going on LOL
muscovy do not migrate , they expanded likely do to human pop expanding , migration would be north to south.
Domestic muscovy are not like their wild counter parts not only in size but color pattern and facial crun dev. Much like polish some of the dev. is to the point they can hardly see. The stock I have now not any of either sex cant fly even in strong winds they more climb and not high a 3 foot fence can contain them.

Hoffmans founder has has muscovy for at least 65 or more years. I have had them for over 30 years 35 i believe. ive had them from 14 years of age.

I disagree that apa or iwa are not fighting for us I have spoke with the pres wife several times hes been out of town, she expressed hers and his thoughts to me they are fighting for us.
Frankly Allens suggestion that we come up with the wording for his final print of a federal document regulation makes me wonder, either he has no ideal what hes doing , or ????? there are thousands of us writing and calling him . Just to get thru all those thoughts and I can tell you hes getting alot of diffrent ideals would take months alone!!!! Any wording can be used to point out anothers view and torn apart. To mean something else.

we can bang our heads on the wall for hours to try to get this where we feel safe. But until we see something like a final draft in black and white , you fighting what if???
muscovy should be treated like pekins or chickens , Its a fact that if you leave chickens or pekins alone they will in generations begin to get smaller and breed toward their wild counter parts, return to a wild state. The diffrence muscovy can not go feral any where reguardless of the so called wild reports, muscovy are tropical and do not shed water like mallards based breeds do. They would not make it thru a cold wet winter and preditors. We know this. as breeders. This is why I got ahold od holderreads he is An expert and has studied muscovy. Allen needs to have some one with A degree and standing behind them to point out the truths.
Yes I know we who breed muscovy know more than any bioligist we live with muscovy. This is not over muscovy migration reguardless of what they say... its over the thousands of calls by wealthy to mayers congress etc. over the well fed protected breeding colonies in public areas. Its been stated how many times in print those areas will be the first to be contained??? Why else but to shut them up and make them happy ..........
yes I know you and I likly know more than any bioligist on muscovy as we live with them.

 

[Danaus29]

I thought what I proposed was very clear;

regulations would not affect privately owned Muscovy. Meaning all privately owned Muscovy are not to be affected by the new regs. any one releasing privately owned Muscovy onto another person's property (which is already illegal) would be subject to local authority. And as for the state of Ohio, it has already been determined by our courts that release of domesticated animals into the "wild" is animal cruelty.

 

[muscovychef]

I got this back today
The report in the Press today stated that there will be no restrictions or permits needed for Exhibition Muscovy's. They are talking about the breeders pinioning one wing of the Muscovy's to prove their domestic. Rod


If people are having muscovy strains that fly dewinging is a fair request, I dewing my mallards if this is in print than its done.
what did i say in a earlier post PROOF yes you need to prove yourself ..... domestic muscovy would have to be dewinged I saw this comming.

 

[Mac_]

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Do you have a link?

 

[Mac_]

Who is talking about pinioning one wing? FWS or a poultry organization?

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[muscovychef]

I believe its the poultry press there is a big deal about a hatchery gong out of bizz selling out of everything , they had good stock but rotten public relations and kept alot of buyers money with out sending anything.
I believe this is a working between allen and apa

 

[Captain Cluck]

Hmm... If the argument is whether Muscovies are domestic or wild, I say look at the coloring and size.

Wild animals, fish and birds have a set coloring or pattern to their coats, skins or feathers. They also come in a set size. This is what survives best in the wild and variations usually get picked off in the wild.

Domestic animals, fish and birds usually have a wide variety of patterns and colors as well as different sizes, ans sometimes head and body shapes.

And I don't know of very many wild creatures that are white all year round, summer and winter. The arctic species all shed to a more somber colored summer coat when they shed their white winter coats. Polar Bears are an exception, but they are at the top of the food chain.

Usually, white or albino prey animals are dinner very quickly if they survive at all.

Muscovy breeders have muscovies of many colors and patterns, including brown, blue, solid, striped (ripple), spotted (pied) and WHITE.

So, would someone please tell me again, HOW are these birds wild?

 

[Mac_]

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How? They will be "legislated" wild unless we all speak up. The camel has it's nose under the tent flap. Time to act.

Below is language that I used in an e-mail to FSW mailto:[email protected]

Regarding your proposed amendment to the new rule, I would like to suggest that domestic Muscovies be defined as a "non-migratory domestic bird". I know that my Muscovies are not physically capable of "migration".

I would also like to suggest the following:

"Domestic Muscovy shall be defined as any Muscovy that was owned prior to March 31, 2010 and it's offspring.", and

"Domestic Muscovies are not subject to this regulation."

I do not believe that I should have to get a permit to continue raising a duck when the history of it's domestication goes back to the 1500s.

They are domestic livestock, not a migratory bird. Can you please find some way to make this distinction in your revisions?

I would think that this may also accomplish your goal of making it easier for local governments to control feral populations that have become a problem.

Please feel free to cut and paste this, or to modify it and use it in your comments to FWS.

Mac_​

 

[poltroon]

Lots of articles yesterday in the Florida press celebrating this new regulation that will allow people to remove Muscovy ducks that have become nuisance. To my surprise, none of them seem to mention the issue of Muscovy ducks kept for exhibition or that they're kept and propagated domestically.

For example:

http://cbs4.com/local/muscovy.duck.regulations.2.1602273.html

MIAMI (CBS4) ―
New federal rules that took effect Wednesday could make it legal for homeowners angered by pesky Muscovy ducks to get rid of them, legally, for the first time in decades. A loophole in new wildlife regulations removes the ducks from protected status, at least in Florida.

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