*my* dog killed a neighbor's chicken!!!!

[Starfire669]

With any pets killed my chickens or my chickens were killed by pets scenario there are two sides of parties that have the responsibility of protection from such an event.

It sounds like you did your part keeping your dog on your property but there was a momentary lapse where he got out, accidents happen.  My question is, was there any fence around your neighbors yard to help keep the chicken safe?

To be clear, I would be ******/sad if someone's dog came onto my property and killed one of my chickens. That being said, I have their area fenced and the only way a dog should be able to kill one of my chickens is if it flew over said fence or I left a gate open by accident.  Keeping them safe is my responsibility, keeping dogs in your own yard is your responsibility - ideally if one of those two fails the other will not make the same mistake on the same day and there will be no harm done.

What you say is 100% correct. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't understand this, or who don't care about others. Leaving people who do care to have to deal with their mess.

 

[centrarchid]

What you say is 100% correct. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't understand this, or who don't care about others. Leaving people who do care to have to deal with their mess.

Under no circumstances can you consider you role of protecting your stock as secondary to that of a neighbors role of keeping their dogs confined. Ignore neighbors limitations and assume dogs will be coming from parts unknown which in long-term is realistic approach. Yes, your neighbor is not doing their part but you, since you have the vulnerable stock, you have the greatest burden with respect to their protection.

 

[CluckCluckJenny]

I have had a pack of house dogs for 2+ decades and yes they can kill without leaving bite marks or blood.

After saying that I find this whole situation to be quite mysterious.

I'm not sure what's mysterious about the situation?

My gate is (supposed to be) self-closing and self-latching. In addition to that, we keep a bolt through to keep anyone from opening it from the outside. Obviously the last person to go through --cough cough--my husband--cough cough-- failed to put the bolt through or be sure it was latched. It was windy in the afternoon and blew open, providing my dog the opportunity to go for a walk. He had been in my Very Fenced In yard enjoying the weather. The neighbor's chickens were not in any kind of fencing. They were walking around in his yard. It is still our fault and I do not deny it at all!

I will mention that I've seen only one other person in this neighborhood who keeps their dogs fenced. One. EVERYONE else has dogs that just roam free (including the neighbor this post is about). They mostly all stay in their own yards, but I think we are absolutely trying to be good neighbors in general. We keep our property neat, in good order, and are friendly and welcoming. We spent a lot of money on a very nice fence. We have inside dogs who like to spend some time enjoying the back yard.

When I do get my own chickens I intend the coop to be inside my fence line AND to be sure that they stay protected in my own yard. I am sure I will soon be looking for specific advice on integrating chickens into our household.

 

[Starfire669]

I'm not sure what's mysterious about the situation?

My gate is (supposed to be) self-closing and self-latching. In addition to that, we keep a bolt through to keep anyone from opening it from the outside. Obviously the last person to go through --cough cough--my husband--cough cough-- failed to put the bolt through or be sure it was latched. It was windy in the afternoon and blew open, providing my dog the opportunity to go for a walk. He had been in my Very Fenced In yard enjoying the weather. The neighbor's chickens were not in any kind of fencing. They were walking around in his yard. It is still our fault and I do not deny it at all!

I will mention that I've seen only one other person in this neighborhood who keeps their dogs fenced. One. EVERYONE else has dogs that just roam free (including the neighbor this post is about). They mostly all stay in their own yards, but I think we are absolutely trying to be good neighbors in general. We keep our property neat, in good order, and are friendly and welcoming. We spent a lot of money on a very nice fence. We have inside dogs who like to spend some time enjoying the back yard.

When I do get my own chickens I intend the coop to be inside my fence line AND to be sure that they stay protected in my own yard. I am sure I will soon be looking for specific advice on integrating chickens into our household.

You are correct and I apologize. I am glad that everything between you and the neighbor has been patched up.

 

[centrarchid]

I'm not sure what's mysterious about the situation? 

My gate is (supposed to be) self-closing and self-latching. In addition to that, we keep a bolt through to keep anyone from opening it from the outside. Obviously the last person to go through --cough cough--my husband--cough cough-- failed to put the bolt through or be sure it was latched. It was windy in the afternoon and blew open, providing my dog the opportunity to go for a walk. He had been in my Very Fenced In yard enjoying the weather. The neighbor's chickens were not in any kind of fencing. They were walking around in his yard. It is still our fault and I do not deny it at all!

I will mention that I've seen only one other person in this neighborhood who keeps their dogs fenced. One. EVERYONE else has dogs that just roam free (including the neighbor this post is about). They mostly all stay in their own yards, but I think we are absolutely trying to be good neighbors in general. We keep our property neat, in good order, and are friendly and welcoming. We spent a lot of money on a very nice fence. We have inside dogs who like to spend some time enjoying the back yard.

When I do get my own chickens I intend the coop to be inside my fence line AND to be sure that they stay protected in my own yard. I am sure I will soon be looking for specific advice on integrating chickens into our household.

What you have is the direction my area is evolving towards. Many dogs are free-range and do not cause issues. A minority do and that is being improved by some combination of training, better dog confinement and in some instances culling. The whole community must be involved with training dog like they would be with kids.

 

[Starfire669]

Sorry, someone mentioned electric wires on the fence and the more I look it up the more feasible it seems. My problem is the sideways rolling automatic gate, how could I install a single strand of electric fencing on it?

 

[Bethel3330]

Hate to say it but I have a cop neighbor with a pack of loose inbred stray dogs, I don't even think about using my 9mm. I have this crazy idea about FENCING!

I have good fencing so MY dogs stay in, and that also protects the property from OTHER dogs killing any of mine.

Neither of the 9mm handguns nor the .223 were purchased to kill desperate stray dogs looking for food; I have fencing which is MUCH cheaper than the firearms.

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[Starfire669]

Under no circumstances can you consider you role of protecting your stock as secondary to that of a neighbors role of keeping their dogs confined. Ignore neighbors limitations and assume dogs will be coming from parts unknown which in long-term is realistic approach. Yes, your neighbor is not doing their part but you, since you have the vulnerable stock, you have the greatest burden with respect to their protection.

I'm sorry if I gave you that impression about me. I think of it as my animal, my responsibility. I discovered I had a chicken killer when she got 2 chicks and nearly the mother hen when they wondered into my yard. I still offered to replace, even though it was on my property. My chicken killer and 3 other dogs are Siberian Huskies who are Houdini escape artists. I built doggy Fort Knox in my back yard to contain them. My coop has so far kept my girls safe and I check it everyday for signs of attempted break in, this is how I knew a cat was after them and I trapped and relocated him. I have also trapped and neutered and vaccinated 3 tomcats and released them back, and am feeding them. My problem is these dogs who have already attacked humans, I am genuinely afraid of them. There are 12 dogs in the pack, but the 5 big black ones are the worst. If it was 1 or 2 I could deal with them, but 5 is a scary thought. If these 5 were removed the pack would be ok, the others are fairly tame to be honest. These 5 are the ones who killed the dogs and attacked the boy and myself. And I see them often enough to be able to identify each member and know which are the problem. These 5 dogs stir up the whole pack. When those 5 are together is when the killings happen.

 

[bobbi-j]

I'm sorry if I gave you that impression about me. I think of it as my animal, my responsibility. I discovered I had a chicken killer when she got 2 chicks and nearly the mother hen when they wondered into my yard. I still offered to replace, even though it was on my property. My chicken killer and 3 other dogs are Siberian Huskies who are Houdini escape artists. I built doggy Fort Knox in my back yard to contain them. My coop has so far kept my girls safe and I check it everyday for signs of attempted break in, this is how I knew a cat was after them and I trapped and relocated him. I have also trapped and neutered and vaccinated 3 tomcats and released them back, and am feeding them. My problem is these dogs who have already attacked humans, I am genuinely afraid of them. There are 12 dogs in the pack, but the 5 big black ones are the worst. If it was 1 or 2 I could deal with them, but 5 is a scary thought. If these 5 were removed the pack would be ok, the others are fairly tame to be honest. These 5 are the ones who killed the dogs and attacked the boy and myself. And I see them often enough to be able to identify each member and know which are the problem. These 5 dogs stir up the whole pack. When those 5 are together is when the killings happen.

It appears that two different issues are being addressed in the same conversation ( kinda like when Hubby and I are having a " discussion"). Star fire is talking about a pack of human-aggressive dogs, and everyone else is talking about flock protection. Starfire, those dogs need to be dealt with, and I think shooting them is the right answer. If law enforcement isn't going to do anything about them, you do what you need to protect yourself and your flock.

 

[Starfire669]

It appears that two different issues are being addressed in the same conversation ( kinda like when Hubby and I are having a " discussion"). Star fire is talking about a pack of human-aggressive dogs, and everyone else is talking about flock protection. Starfire, those dogs need to be dealt with, and I think shooting them is the right answer. If law enforcement isn't going to do anything about them, you do what you need to protect yourself and your flock.

Yes, but I would sleep better knowing the couldn't access my yard. And those dogs started out as livestock killers and then became human aggressive. I am really interested if anyone can think of a way to run a single strand of electric wire along a side rolling automatic gate. Then my yard and animals are safe from intrusion.