My "Splash Pyle Yokohamas"... My new creation... What do you think?

[Mahonri]

If you have some of those crosses in January, I'd buy some hatching eggs from you.

They are beautiful.

 

[amazondoc]

My birds have flecks of both red and black, like the flecks in the OP's pic. The flecked birds are cockerels, then I have one or two white pullets that have the light pinkish breast like the OP's pullet.

Oh, I forgot -- I took pics of em all in the last coupla days....lessee......

Here's the father in the first pic, with two of his sons in the other pics. Unfortunately, the father is now deceased. The first offspring pic is of the bird that started out as a "naked" chick. He got over it!

Anyway -- this pattern is obviously quite reproducible, whatever the heck it is. I find it very interesting!

 

[Henk69]

Meanwhile, did anyone notice the strange outcome of this cross?

The breast of redshouldered yokohama is columbian-like restricted (red groundcolor with white spangles) while these guys look "black" (turned white) breasted like the pyle. Columbian-like restriction should be dominant.
Also the pullet looks silver.

So how "pyle" was the father? What hackle color? What color has his wing triangle?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I think the birds are pretty, but you will need to breed for several generations to get them to breed true, and to get back to yokohama type traits. Your 2nd generation will likely vary greatly as the genes segregate. Select from those and breed back. Keep doing so until the offspring all come out correctly.

Then you can call them yokohamas again. Until then they are a project, and should be labeled as such.

 

[Krys109uk]

Meanwhile, did anyone notice the strange outcome of this cross?

I was thinking the red shouldered yokohama would be a spangled bird with dominant white as in ER, Db,Ml,Pg, & I, or something like that? And presumably the OEG would be e+,I.

I see what you mean about the pullet being silver; I wonder where the silver came from.

Ione, I'd guess that your birds are black birds which have lost melanisers with dominant white. They aren't proper pyle. Proper pyle is e+,I.
How many did you breed & did they all have black flecks?​

 

[amazondoc]

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Yeah, I know they're not proper pyle -- they're not proper anything.

I wasn't pair breeding, and those are the only two offspring that really look similar in terms of the splashing. I have two or three pullets that are white with the pink breast, but to tell you the truth I don't know whether they came out of that roo or my duckwing/wheaten roo. I don't have any dominant white hens, but I know at least one of the hens and two of the roos carry recessive white. The same rooster also produced splash and blue offspring.....I don't *think* any of the offspring were *solid* blue (as opposed to patterned blue), but unfortunately I did not keep good enough records in that breed this year! I *was* breeding one roo at a time, but I didn't get many of the offspring banded early enough and have now confused myself about their parentage.

One of my goals for next year is to band sooner! I believe, though, that his non-white-non-splashed offspring tend towards this appearance:

 

[Krys109uk]

If you don't have dominant white & you get birds much the same, with blue replacing the white, then your white splashed birds must really be splash.

Are you making a particular colour?

 

[amazondoc]

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I think the first roo I posted is probably dominant white, but I definitely don't have any dominant white hens.

I suspect that first roo is both dominant white AND splash....but I continually confuse myself when I think about him.......

As I understand it, which is not very well, the extensive splashing with the strong RED feathers would indicate something other than splash going on?

I'm not making a particular color yet. This generation, I'm trying to produce a large number of offspring to choose future projects from. I am selecting more for rumplessness and tufts for this generation than for color, but I'm pondering all the colors that have been produced in order to set up pens for the next go round. My three original roos are duckwing/wheaten split (with recessive white); buff (with recessive white); and this mystery roo with Lord knows what (but probably dominant white). My original hens are mostly wheatenish and blue wheatenish, some carrying recessive white; buff, carrying recessive white; and splash. I *am* going to try for more duckwing, and more buff, and maybe black -- but the only blacks I've got right now I purchased as chicks this summer (they didn't come from those original roos).

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Blue will slightly dilute red pigment, but not much. Mahogany will turn gold to red; autosomal red is red with or without mahogany. Autosomal red is somewhat common in splash birds (definitely a no-no if you want a splash who will not be DQed); it most commonly shows on the shoulders of males; breasts of females.

 

[amazondoc]

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Autosomal red is another definite possibility here. Somehow, the combinations of dominant white/recessive white/splash, plus leakage from any of the above, really throw me for a loop!