Naked Neck/Turken Thread
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Monty, you count me in and will help out anyway that I can.. Thanks for doing this the NN's need this kind of repsentation on the Internet
Don
Monty, you count me in and will help out anyway that I can.. Thanks for doing this the NN's need this kind of repsentation on the Internet
Don
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Hi Becca! Poor girl! I noticed my NN pullets/young hens have more tender skin than the mature girls.
Is the roo young and very enthusiastic?
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Hi! I might be interested in joining a National Naked Neck Club, so long as it includes ALL chickens with Naked Necks and not just the 'bred to ASOP' Naked Necks.
Lisa
Hi Becca! Poor girl! I noticed my NN pullets/young hens have more tender skin than the mature girls.
Is the roo young and very enthusiastic?
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Hi! I might be interested in joining a National Naked Neck Club, so long as it includes ALL chickens with Naked Necks and not just the 'bred to ASOP' Naked Necks.
Lisa
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Sure looks like the odd man out. Was this the only one that hatched in the batch?
Thanks for sharing this pix. Be sure and give us an update in a couple of weeks.
Sure looks like the odd man out. Was this the only one that hatched in the batch?
Thanks for sharing this pix. Be sure and give us an update in a couple of weeks.
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Sure looks like the odd man out. Was this the only one that hatched in the batch?
Thanks for sharing this pix. Be sure and give us an update in a couple of weeks.
she is the only one so fat I got like 40 eggs ready to bust out
the white chicks were a gift from DH * white orps from Hinkle *
they arrived today and the nn was born too so I put him in there with them
Sure looks like the odd man out. Was this the only one that hatched in the batch?
Thanks for sharing this pix. Be sure and give us an update in a couple of weeks.
she is the only one so fat I got like 40 eggs ready to bust out
the white chicks were a gift from DH * white orps from Hinkle *
they arrived today and the nn was born too so I put him in there with them
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I WAS a member, don't remember how long ago, maybe 20 yrs? Was still paying when pfft... radio silence. No more newsletters, no responses from couple letters I sent inquiring if the club was still ongoing or what. Still no idea what happened. That comment about it being idle for a year surprises me, unless it had died then resurrected between then and now.
Anyways, despite that yes count me in.. I think internet may help some/a lot as it seems some clubs are active online?
I WAS a member, don't remember how long ago, maybe 20 yrs? Was still paying when pfft... radio silence. No more newsletters, no responses from couple letters I sent inquiring if the club was still ongoing or what. Still no idea what happened. That comment about it being idle for a year surprises me, unless it had died then resurrected between then and now.
Anyways, despite that yes count me in.. I think internet may help some/a lot as it seems some clubs are active online?
Hi! I might be interested in joining a National Naked Neck Club, so long as it includes ALL chickens with Naked Necks and not just the 'bred to ASOP' Naked Necks.
Lisa
I think that's a really good question. NN not matching the ASOP are very common, especially if buffs/reds are not supposed to have black tails- that would eliminate 99.9% of hatchery stock NN. Even if black tails is called for/permissible, there's still the issue of skin and leg color in hatchery stock- lots of white skins plus willow/slate/white legs. Also project/backyard hobby NN are very common. Do we 'reject' those or maintain basically 2 sections: ASOP oriented and project/hobby oriented persons? As I see it, the projects and hobbyists can contribute to the breed such as getting new colors recognized maybe? Perhaps get the movement to get blue NN accepted started up again?
What about other breeds that have naked necks such as Madagascar/Malgache, Ga Don(hope I got the name right.. the ones that are truly naked necked, not the 'shedders'), the ones on Reunion island, various breeds/landraces around the world? (for possible future topic, covering how NN are bred for butchering in France could be interesting..)
Lisa
I think that's a really good question. NN not matching the ASOP are very common, especially if buffs/reds are not supposed to have black tails- that would eliminate 99.9% of hatchery stock NN. Even if black tails is called for/permissible, there's still the issue of skin and leg color in hatchery stock- lots of white skins plus willow/slate/white legs. Also project/backyard hobby NN are very common. Do we 'reject' those or maintain basically 2 sections: ASOP oriented and project/hobby oriented persons? As I see it, the projects and hobbyists can contribute to the breed such as getting new colors recognized maybe? Perhaps get the movement to get blue NN accepted started up again?
What about other breeds that have naked necks such as Madagascar/Malgache, Ga Don(hope I got the name right.. the ones that are truly naked necked, not the 'shedders'), the ones on Reunion island, various breeds/landraces around the world? (for possible future topic, covering how NN are bred for butchering in France could be interesting..)
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Don, I don't understand the genetics of no bowties. I have a guess that it involves a separate gene which may be recessive.. My experience was with getting hatchery stock with goal of breeding down the bowtie size to see if total bare necks would show up.. after couple generations did not get any no bowties, at lowest some birds had only one feather on each side of neck. Very easy to cut or pluck but still....
Then I did NN egg trade with someone.. their eggs(all were blue, big surprise as they did not tell me beforehand) hatched out several chicks with completely smooth necks and never grew feathers on necks. But what really confounded me was they were plainly very mixed breeds- everything in poultrydom existed on those- all comb types, crests, leg feathering, silky, polish size knobs etc and etc! I bred those together and got many more total bare necks. So much for the claim that only the purest of the pure NN had totally bare necks... Unfortunately I did not do deliberate matings between those and stock that never had totally bare necks to see what happens, although they did interbreed on 'the free range' and produced babies. None showed up with totally bare necks for many years. I still have one hen descended many generations down from this free range mixing.. she has a small bowtie and much to my surprise when I let her set on eggs, she produced a total bare neck chick(lousy pic, was taken with cell phone):
Very tempted to think there's a recessive gene involved but don't know who the father was(she was free range)..
Anyways, if you'd be interested in doing some breeding to test this out, keep daughters and breed back with the no bowtie roo. If that throws some no bowties, that would really strongly suggest an involvement of another gene in addition to the NN gene. To further confirm this idea, breed no bowties separate; if they never produce bowties that would be proof of unusual strength that a separate recessive gene is involved. (btw I can't breed the chick above with its mother as it turned out to be a hen. Also with the original stock, did not get a rooster in that hatch with total bare neck so it had to be a bowtie rooster with a couple bare necked hens)
Don, I don't understand the genetics of no bowties. I have a guess that it involves a separate gene which may be recessive.. My experience was with getting hatchery stock with goal of breeding down the bowtie size to see if total bare necks would show up.. after couple generations did not get any no bowties, at lowest some birds had only one feather on each side of neck. Very easy to cut or pluck but still....
Then I did NN egg trade with someone.. their eggs(all were blue, big surprise as they did not tell me beforehand) hatched out several chicks with completely smooth necks and never grew feathers on necks. But what really confounded me was they were plainly very mixed breeds- everything in poultrydom existed on those- all comb types, crests, leg feathering, silky, polish size knobs etc and etc! I bred those together and got many more total bare necks. So much for the claim that only the purest of the pure NN had totally bare necks... Unfortunately I did not do deliberate matings between those and stock that never had totally bare necks to see what happens, although they did interbreed on 'the free range' and produced babies. None showed up with totally bare necks for many years. I still have one hen descended many generations down from this free range mixing.. she has a small bowtie and much to my surprise when I let her set on eggs, she produced a total bare neck chick(lousy pic, was taken with cell phone):
Very tempted to think there's a recessive gene involved but don't know who the father was(she was free range)..
Anyways, if you'd be interested in doing some breeding to test this out, keep daughters and breed back with the no bowtie roo. If that throws some no bowties, that would really strongly suggest an involvement of another gene in addition to the NN gene. To further confirm this idea, breed no bowties separate; if they never produce bowties that would be proof of unusual strength that a separate recessive gene is involved. (btw I can't breed the chick above with its mother as it turned out to be a hen. Also with the original stock, did not get a rooster in that hatch with total bare neck so it had to be a bowtie rooster with a couple bare necked hens)
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Lisa, have you paired a single comb no bowtie yet? see above post for my curiosity.. Pea comb throws a wrench as it can make 'em very naked necked even when not pure NN.. basically want as 'wild type' as possible for 'genetic study' reasons.
Lisa, have you paired a single comb no bowtie yet? see above post for my curiosity.. Pea comb throws a wrench as it can make 'em very naked necked even when not pure NN.. basically want as 'wild type' as possible for 'genetic study' reasons.
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Nice chix and awesome pix Kev!
What did you wife say about using her new blue carpet for this photo shoot?
that's a towel. and yep, always tossed in washer right after photo sessions! My camera does not handle some colors too well so needed a background to help with better shots.
Nice chix and awesome pix Kev!
What did you wife say about using her new blue carpet for this photo shoot?
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That was a blue barred. Did make lavs in bantam though(this one lives with KnockKneedHen now):
and also cuckoo lavender:
btw I agree your new hen can't be a splash due to parents. I have a suspicion as to what it is though.. (ask Nava, she will know what I suspect it is) Could the 'splash' look be due to mix of older sunbleached feathers with darker new feathers coming out? (some colors fade a lot in full sun)
Nava- I have a guess where you're headed with the white orps!
yep, use blues or splash... excellent outcross color for whites, actually.
That was a blue barred. Did make lavs in bantam though(this one lives with KnockKneedHen now):
and also cuckoo lavender:
btw I agree your new hen can't be a splash due to parents. I have a suspicion as to what it is though.. (ask Nava, she will know what I suspect it is) Could the 'splash' look be due to mix of older sunbleached feathers with darker new feathers coming out? (some colors fade a lot in full sun)
Nava- I have a guess where you're headed with the white orps!
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