Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[draye]

good choice, he is handsome.

Thank you.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

@Kev I have a lavender genetics question.

My single Lavender Ameraucana is looking like he'll be a cockerel (I named him - Goodwin). I would like to cross him in with my NNs to add not only the blue egg gene, but also pea comb-type feather pattern.



I find myself confused by the fact that technically these are black birds when thinking of the potential results.

Can you advise crossings? Current thoughts are to cross him with Trinity (black NN with NN phenotype, large bird), maybe Mystique (dark partridge with "gypsy" face [sorry, I don't know the non-offensive term for that], Nn phenotype, large bird), and maybe Sweetie (black tail buff, NN phenotype, large bird). I'm also wondering about crossing him with the two Nn Aloha NNs.

What can I expect? Does this sound reasonable? (I realize it will be F2 onward where I will see any lavender phenotypes, etc.)

- Ant Farm

 

[Phill98]

Here is my Black NN cockerel that I will keep and raise up for next years chucks. He will be crossed to the White pullets pullets that I have saved back.


Check out more cockerel pictures here: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...a-mottled-naked-neck-thread/330#post_16962727

Beautiful bird, but I have to say that it looks like hen to me from this angle.

 

[Phill98]

@Kev I have a lavender genetics question. My single Lavender Ameraucana is looking like he'll be a cockerel (I named him - Goodwin). I would like to cross him in with my NNs to add not only the blue egg gene, but also pea comb-type feather pattern. I find myself confused by the fact that technically these are black birds when thinking of the potential results. Can you advise crossings? Current thoughts are to cross him with Trinity (black NN with NN phenotype, large bird), maybe Mystique (dark partridge with "gypsy" face [sorry, I don't know the non-offensive term for that], Nn phenotype, large bird), and maybe Sweetie (black tail buff, NN phenotype, large bird). I'm also wondering about crossing him with the two Nn Aloha NNs. What can I expect? Does this sound reasonable? (I realize it will be F2 onward where I will see any lavender phenotypes, etc.) - Ant Farm

Can I give it a try? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I thik it depends on what you want to get. If you want pure lavender turkens, you should cross him with pure black hens. If you crossed him with Mystique, I think you would get something like black copper in F1, and in F2 part of them should be lavender copper- black should be replaced with laveder. Another option from this cross that just crossed on my mind is to get something like blue partridge only the blue part being lavender but it should be very hard to get since you would be playing with two recessive genes. ( I'm judt thinking out loud, not sure that this last colour is "doable") If you crossed him with Sweetie, I think you would get lavender tailed buff. Oh and don't forget, all of this would happen in F2 generation, F1 will look just like F2 bit with black replacing lavender. Oh and the rooster is beautiful. Ameraucanas are special for me, especially because I can't get them. Nobody in Croatia or near Croatia breeds or has them. Maybe in Germany, but don't know.

 

[Phill98]

Yesterday was "freezer camp" day if I can say it like that.
I don't know if you guys remember, but we got 14 hens from my grandma right before Christmass. Since the day we got them, we knew that it is too much for us and later on we had way more eggs that we needed.
So we culled eight hens and left nine and rooster.
I still didn't cull any, right now I feel sorry for that because that was my goal to do this year, but I still have time I guess.
The great, awsome part was that I had to completely decide which hens are staying. So we got rid of all tiny, very old, not good layers, any kind of sick( one hen had a broken wing and one had twisted neck), one very agressive and now are left with nine beutiful, healthy, good laying hens and nice calm rooster and I can't describe how happy I am because we did it. Hens also feel a lot calmer and relieved, and while I thought that they will fight since two top hens were culled, I haven't seen any of them even peck at each other.

 

[chickengr]

Yesterday was "freezer camp" day if I can say it like that.
I don't know if you guys remember, but we got 14 hens from my grandma right before Christmass. Since the day we got them, we knew that it is too much for us and later on we had way more eggs that we needed.
So we culled eight hens and left nine and rooster.
I still didn't cull any, right now I feel sorry for that because that was my goal to do this year, but I still have time I guess.
The great, awsome part was that I had to completely decide which hens are staying. So we got rid of all tiny, very old, not good layers, any kind of sick( one hen had a broken wing and one had twisted neck), one very agressive and now are left with nine beutiful, healthy, good laying hens and nice calm rooster and I can't describe how happy I am because we did it. Hens also feel a lot calmer and relieved, and while I thought that they will fight since two top hens were culled, I haven't seen any of them even peck at each other.

that's good news!

 

[chickengr]

@Kev I have a lavender genetics question.

My single Lavender Ameraucana is looking like he'll be a cockerel (I named him - Goodwin). I would like to cross him in with my NNs to add not only the blue egg gene, but also pea comb-type feather pattern.



I find myself confused by the fact that technically these are black birds when thinking of the potential results.

Can you advise crossings? Current thoughts are to cross him with Trinity (black NN with NN phenotype, large bird), maybe Mystique (dark partridge with "gypsy" face [sorry, I don't know the non-offensive term for that], Nn phenotype, large bird), and maybe Sweetie (black tail buff, NN phenotype, large bird). I'm also wondering about crossing him with the two Nn Aloha NNs.

What can I expect? Does this sound reasonable? (I realize it will be F2 onward where I will see any lavender phenotypes, etc.)

- Ant Farm

I cannot discuss genetics but I can say something about gypsy. once I spoke to a little gypsy girl and she told me that in italy people called them nomads, not gypsies. she proudly said: we are gypsies, not shepherds.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Quote: Thank you - this is very helpful - this is sort of what I thought would happen. I was just trying to figure out how Goodwin's "blackness" would go into the F1 results. E.g., Goodwin crossed with Sweetie in F1 would be something that was the results of a black bird and a black tailed buff bird, and I couldn't figure out how to think about it... (Crossing with Trinity is easy, as she's black...)

Yesterday was "freezer camp" day if I can say it like that.
I don't know if you guys remember, but we got 14 hens from my grandma right before Christmass. Since the day we got them, we knew that it is too much for us and later on we had way more eggs that we needed.
So we culled eight hens and left nine and rooster.
I still didn't cull any, right now I feel sorry for that because that was my goal to do this year, but I still have time I guess.
The great, awsome part was that I had to completely decide which hens are staying. So we got rid of all tiny, very old, not good layers, any kind of sick( one hen had a broken wing and one had twisted neck), one very agressive and now are left with nine beutiful, healthy, good laying hens and nice calm rooster and I can't describe how happy I am because we did it. Hens also feel a lot calmer and relieved, and while I thought that they will fight since two top hens were culled, I haven't seen any of them even peck at each other.

Good for you for making those selections. I have found that when culling needs to be done, it is always calmer and quieter for everyone. It makes it easier to get through it. Don't worry, you'll get there to where you're doing it yourself eventually, if you want to.

Thanks! I just know some do find "gypsy" offensive, but I don't know how else to refer to that specific black skin tone pattern...

- Ant Farm

 

[ForrestGump]

Lavender is recessive. You have to have two copies of lavender to get lavender birds. If you breed a lavender to another color that does not carry lavender, you will not get any lavender chicks. For example if you breed a lavender to a homozygous black bird, you will get 100% black chickens.

If you take those offspring and breed them, you will get 25% lavender birds. I'm not a big fan of inbreeding though, so I don't think that is the way to produce a flock of lavenders.

 

[Phill98]

Thank you - this is very helpful - this is sort of what I thought would happen. I was just trying to figure out how Goodwin's "blackness" would go into the F1 results. E.g., Goodwin crossed with Sweetie in F1 would be something that was the results of a black bird and a black tailed buff bird, and I couldn't figure out how to think about it... (Crossing with Trinity is easy, as she's black...)

Good for you for making those selections. I have found that when culling needs to be done, it is always calmer and quieter for everyone. It makes it easier to get through it. Don't worry, you'll get there to where you're doing it yourself eventually, if you want to.

Thanks! I just know some do find "gypsy" offensive, but I don't know how else to refer to that specific black skin tone pattern...

- Ant Farm 

Well I guess that you should get something that is like black copper but with lot more buff/brown with sweetie in F1.