Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[DesertChic]

Buffy the Fox Slayer?

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Quote: Yes'm, I do. Buffy is the less personable third black-tailed buff hen from Ideal. She's Nn, has the least amount of extra black on her body feathers (almost but not quite clean), and is quite pretty. Named after her color. She's sweet, but it's pretty hard to compete with Sweetie and Puppy for attention, I'll tell ya!

Here's an old photo of her at 15 weeks (Switch is on the left):

Quote: Seven (all single combed):

Sweetie - NN, Black-tailed buff with lots of black on the body feathers (mossy?)
Puppy - Nn, Black-tailed buff also with lots of black on the body feathers. Escape artist.
Buffy - Nn, Black-tailed buff, cleaner body feathers. Wallflower.
Trinity - NN, solid black
Mystique - Nn, partridge (?) penciled
Switch - NN, almost solid black, but red edging on feathers on neck and chest, and red "hair" on head
Polly - nn, hatchery New Hampshire - she's Snape's absolute favorite, and she cuddles with him every night. Go figure...

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- Ant Farm

 

[Kev]

Moved the short leg dwarfs to their own pen and took pics today. Not the best pics..

 

[Kev]

@Kev - Yay!!!! I can't wait to get all sorts of colorful babies!!!!! Switch has a red head and red edging to some of the feathers on her chest and neck, but black over the back and tail. Do you think she could carry Pg and have more suppressing stuff going on? (She always seemed to be a "darker version" of Mystique to me.) Trinity has remained totally black - she's growing back out from her (late) molt, and it's all coming in solid. (Puppy and Switch have grown back even more speckled with black - I think it's called mossy? Buffy is much better, though body is still not pure buff.)

- Ant Farm

Hard to tell without pics(we love pics/end subliminal message) plus no real history on those birds. Switch could be a straight up birchen, the edging is down to that sole reason. But it is equally possible she is hiding other things.

Just to be sure- my guess are just that guesses. If Snape happens to be pure for black then all of the chicks would hatch out black and end up more or less like him, Switch and a tiny chance of Mystique. I do hope he and a hen are partridge carriers since you seem to want color variety?

I've seen mossy only in context of lacing, spangling and pencilleds. I have no idea if the peppering on a buff is also called mossy. Hmm.

Looking forward to chick pics before too long!

 

[Kev]

Very helpful. I was also wondering something different fron this. If chicken pure for dominant white is bred with pure splash- results should be white birds, right? Or would they be something like paint in splash version?

And if bred together they should give 50% chicks that are the same as the parents, 35% white and 25% splash?

And is it possible in any way to keep only black, white and splash chickens without getting blue?

What did you mean by splash? As in blue-splash or spotty dominant white? for now let;s call the paint/leaky dominant whites "spotty" versus splash by way of blue.

Yes it is good to expect dominant white bred to splash to turn out white. Blue(splash really) is used in some white lines to help with clearing up the white. There is still a chance of some spottys, I don't yet know why some turn out clear and others are spotty.. for example these two hens are full sisters- cx father, partridge Nn hen:



I have no idea why one is sparkly clean and the other is very spotty and has off white tint. The spotty one even had a fair sized black spot on her back as a juvenile. It's mostly gone now, drats.. was hoping it would stay and help with making Paint NN if possible.

The same rooster bred with a solid blue hen did produce 'whiter' chicks- most came out solid white and the spotty ones had only a few spots. The spots are blue, by the way.

It is very easily possible to keep a group of black-spotty-solid whites after the blue has been removed from the line.

I see no way to keep a line that throws both blacks and splash with no blue birds popping up.

It is possible to maintain a group that would throw both spottys and splashes along blacks, solid whites but no real way to prevent any blues from showing up.

Example, a black or blue rooster with splash, spotty, black, white hens. This will throw every possible combination.. blacks, blues, splash(with blue rooster, though.. no splashes out of a black rooster) spotty, blue spotty, whites...

The question of DW- splash crosses bred together.. solid whites may dominate in numbers. It is impossible to give percentages for the spottys. It could be 75% solid whites. Could be a surprise this line is very prone to spottiness for whatever reason- like how Paint in silkies broke the rule by allowing large black spots to show up, and there are a lot more spottys and not so many solid whites. However the presence of blue, with some of them being splash may lean them into the direction of less spots. Spotty with splash I think would probably turn out solid white.. pushing the number of solid white higher up than if blue was not present at all.

 

[Kev]

Got some pictures today. 2 are being posted on the Green Egger Naked Neck Thread. Located here:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/939680/green-egger-naked-neck-thread/270#post_17903324

Here's one of a unique color, I'd say a form of Partridge.

She's not a Naked Neck but her mama was. Daddy was the Spangled Aloha rooster.



@Kev . What do you think.

I don't keep many that are not Naked Necked but I did to see how this one would turn out. Trying to figure out how to breed her and turn those markings into a golden Laced. Probably not able to pursue that venue but just wondering. I'll probably use her to get some offspring then sell her off as a Crossbred hen.

Oh yeah you could start on laceds with that hen for sure. She is already a step in that direction, so to speak. Anything laced would be an easy cheat to get lacing 'faster'.

The hard part is it's not super clear what genes she's 'missing' for complete lacing. *usually* spangles(black dot at tip) mean Columbian is not present.

She definitely has Pg and Ml, hard to tell if she is pure for both or not. Use something black tailed buff or white to introduce Columbian and you should start to see half moons, incomplete lacing start to show up. Breed the half moons/incomplete laceds together and there should be some complete laceds out of that. I must warn, mossiness(black peppering) might be an issue to work on.

 

[draye]

Oh yeah you could start on laceds with that hen for sure. She is already a step in that direction, so to speak.   Anything laced would be an easy cheat to get lacing 'faster'.

The hard part is it's not super clear what genes she's 'missing' for complete lacing.  *usually* spangles(black dot at tip) mean Columbian is not present.

She definitely has Pg and Ml, hard to tell if she is pure for both or not.  Use something black tailed buff or white to introduce Columbian and you should start to see half moons, incomplete lacing start to show up.  Breed the half moons/incomplete laceds together and there should be some complete laceds out of that.   I must warn, mossiness(black peppering) might be an issue to work on.

So my Cinnamon rooster would work, I'd get both silver and gold. Also be asurred of naked necked chicks. Would that be right?

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Moved the short leg dwarfs to their own pen and took pics today. Not the best pics..

SO short!

Quote: I guess we'll see...
I know, I know. I'll try to get some soon. Most are coming back out of molt just now, so there wasn't a lot to photograph recently.

- Ant Farm

 

[Kev]

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Yep!

 

[Kev]

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Haha yes! Have mixed feelings about them- never went for short legged breeds in all my decades as a chicken hobbyist. Yet here they are as a big surprise.. Was worried about health, yet they are very healthy, very active- would be great foragers, worried about how'd they do with start of egg laying- someone mentioned problems with that in their dwarfed birds.. found a huge egg in their pen so they apparently have no problems with that- either they have a different dwarf gene or..?

when are your eggs due to hatch?