Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Phill98]

There were two foxes, and the one I chased off was quite a bit smaller than the other larger one - that, in combination with the bumbling nature of the attack and how intact Switch was when I found her, makes me think that second one was a juvenile...

- Ant Farm 

It could easily be. What really got me surprised is that she was in a shed. That meant to me that she isn't scared at all.

 

[Phill98]

Whoa! I'm glad you didn't lose any!
Do you have a guard animal (dog, donkey, etc.) that could help protect the chickens?

Let's just say that I have a golden retriever.

Even thought he would do nothing, we can't let him with chickens while they are free ranging because he likes runing with them and of course they get scared. If we had a real guardian dog we also couldn't keep him there becaise our property isn't fenced off where chickens free range.

 

[Phill98]

Mystique is still stand offish, but she seems to have been humbled a bit by her molt (or maybe she's just mellowing out). She's feathering back in so prettily with this penciled look, esp. on her neck (the black is covering most of it on the rest of her body). Notice the second photo, lower part - Snape is VERY protective of his girls, and was taking exception to me photographing her. And Puppy, after much fretting and pacing around and looking for an escape., FINALLY laid her egg in the nest box today. So that's one more egg I'm saving to set. - Ant Farm

Is she the one that was laying weird eggs?!? Because if she was I hope they got right. Her and Snape's rose combed partridge babies woold be gorgeous! @Kev is Snape carrying the Pg? He looks like he could carry it.

 

[Kev]

Because if she was I hope they got right. Her and Snape's rose combed partridge babies woold be gorgeous!

@Kev is Snape carrying the Pg? He looks like he could carry it.

Black renders a bunch of genes invisible even if they are dominant on other colors. No way to tell by looking if a black bird has Pg, Co etc.

I suspect he is a Wyandotte cross or mix- he kind of looks like it and they are the most common rose combed large fowl. Wyandottes are a primarily eb- "partridge" breed.

In theory, if Snape carries eb/partridge there is potential to breed for birds pencilled all over in later generations with Mystique. However if he also has Co, there will be things like spangled, half moon laced, single laced, double laced and lots of intermediate patterns mixed in the results.

eb/partridge + Pg= pencilled, as in pencilled wyandotte.

eb/partridge + Co, Ml(melanotic) and Pg= single lace wyandotte. BUT, it is important for them to be pure for every single one of those genes. If they are not pure for all of them, it will result in the half moons, spangles, pencilling depending on what "combination" they have.

Mystique is not pencilled all over because she has something else in her but I don't know what it is. It may be as simple as being half birchen half eb/partridge.. or maybe she is pure birchen with Pg showing in the colored areas..or.. If they produce a chick with striped down with a marbled pattern on the head that would be instant proof both are eb/partridge carriers and pretty strong evidence for Snape being a wyandotte cross but it would also mean Mystique might have some wyandotte in her because partridge is practically nonexistent in hatchery stock NN.

Pg is very easily messed with.. or is really helpful in creating some patterns, depending on how one looks at it.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

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@Kev , can you explain pencilling genetics again? (In that way you do that we can understand, I mean?)

- Ant Farm

You ready for a long sit down and read?

Pencilling just needs the Pg(pencilling) gene. Whew, done!

not quite done- it really needs just the Pg gene without certain other genes to disrupt it. It's rather easily affected by what else the bird has. I'll be very good and give only one example of what 'messes; with pencilling- Co, for columbian.. Tank, Puppy have it- it is why they are clear bodied with black tail. Mystique is rather unusual for a hatchery NN lacking this Co gene actually.

How did I do?

Ya, did good!!!

Quote: @Phill98 , the molting has made it a little easier to make a guess at who lays what. I have strong suspicions now that the weird eggs are being laid by Sweetie, as for a little while there Mystique was laying while all others had stopped, and the eggs were normal.

@Kev - Yay!!!! I can't wait to get all sorts of colorful babies!!!!! Switch has a red head and red edging to some of the feathers on her chest and neck, but black over the back and tail. Do you think she could carry Pg and have more suppressing stuff going on? (She always seemed to be a "darker version" of Mystique to me.) Trinity has remained totally black - she's growing back out from her (late) molt, and it's all coming in solid. (Puppy and Switch have grown back even more speckled with black - I think it's called mossy? Buffy is much better, though body is still not pure buff.)

- Ant Farm

 

[DesertChic]

Ya, did good!!!

@Phill98 , the molting has made it a little easier to make a guess at who lays what. I have strong suspicions now that the weird eggs are being laid by Sweetie, as for a little while there Mystique was laying while all others had stopped, and the eggs were normal.

@Kev - Yay!!!! I can't wait to get all sorts of colorful babies!!!!! Switch has a red head and red edging to some of the feathers on her chest and neck, but black over the back and tail. Do you think she could carry Pg and have more suppressing stuff going on? (She always seemed to be a "darker version" of Mystique to me.) Trinity has remained totally black - she's growing back out from her (late) molt, and it's all coming in solid. (Puppy and Switch have grown back even more speckled with black - I think it's called mossy? Buffy is much better, though body is still not pure buff.)

- Ant Farm

Buffy? You have a Buffy? I don't remember Buffy. Which movie did that name come from?

 

[Phill98]

Black renders a bunch of genes invisible even if they are dominant on other colors. No way to tell by looking if a black bird has Pg, Co etc.

I suspect he is a Wyandotte cross or mix- he kind of looks like it and they are the most common rose combed large fowl.  Wyandottes are a primarily eb- "partridge" breed.

In theory, if Snape carries eb/partridge there is potential to breed for birds pencilled all over in later generations with Mystique.   However if he also has Co, there will be things like spangled, half moon laced, single laced, double laced and lots of intermediate patterns mixed in the results.

eb/partridge + Pg= pencilled, as in pencilled wyandotte. 

eb/partridge + Co, Ml(melanotic) and Pg= single lace wyandotte. BUT, it is important for them to be pure for every single one of those genes. If they are not pure for all of them, it will result in the half moons, spangles, pencilling depending on what "combination" they have.

Mystique is not pencilled all over because she has something else in her but I don't know what it is.  It may be as simple as being half birchen half eb/partridge.. or maybe she is pure birchen with Pg showing in the colored areas..or..  If  they produce a chick with striped down with a marbled pattern on the head that would be instant proof both are eb/partridge carriers and pretty strong evidence for Snape being a wyandotte cross  but it would also mean Mystique might have some wyandotte in her because partridge is practically nonexistent in hatchery stock NN. 

Pg is very easily messed with..  or is really helpful in creating some patterns, depending on how one looks at it.

Very helpful. I was also wondering something different fron this. If chicken pure for dominant white is bred with pure splash- results should be white birds, right? Or would they be something like paint in splash version?

And if bred together they should give 50% chicks that are the same as the parents, 35% white and 25% splash?

And is it possible in any way to keep only black, white and splash chickens without getting blue?

 

[Phill98]

Ya, did good!!! 
@Phill98
 , the molting has made it a little easier to make a guess at who lays what. I have strong suspicions now that the weird eggs are being laid by Sweetie, as for a little while there Mystique was laying while all others had stopped, and the eggs were normal. 

@Kev
  - Yay!!!! I can't wait to get all sorts of colorful babies!!!!! Switch has a red head and red edging to some of the feathers on her chest and neck, but black over the back and tail. Do you think she could carry Pg and have more suppressing stuff going on? (She always seemed to be a "darker version" of Mystique to me.) Trinity has remained totally black - she's growing back out from her (late) molt, and it's all coming in solid. (Puppy and Switch have grown back even more speckled with black - I think it's called mossy? Buffy is much better, though body is still not pure buff.)

- Ant Farm 

How many girls do you have with snape

 

[draye]

Got some pictures today. 2 are being posted on the Green Egger Naked Neck Thread. Located here:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/939680/green-egger-naked-neck-thread/270#post_17903324

Here's one of a unique color, I'd say a form of Partridge.

She's not a Naked Neck but her mama was. Daddy was the Spangled Aloha rooster.

@Kev. What do you think.

I don't keep many that are not Naked Necked but I did to see how this one would turn out. Trying to figure out how to breed her and turn those markings into a golden Laced. Probably not able to pursue that venue but just wondering. I'll probably use her to get some offspring then sell her off as a Crossbred hen.

 

[Kev]

Buffy? You have a Buffy? I don't remember Buffy. Which movie did that name come from?

Buffy the Fox Slayer?