Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Knock Kneed Hen]

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It's because he's not a solid black chicken. The color on his back are color leaking through on a bird that doesn't have all the extra genes to turn them solid black. A common problem in breeding solid colored chickens, especially in birds descended from a cross.

There isn't a single "all black" gene in chickens, it's basically a 'main gene' that makes the chicken mostly black but they still need a couple extra "helper" genes to turn solid black. L'K is missing one or more of those extra genes and as a result, color is leaking through. He's pure for lavender, not pure for the necessary genes for a solid black chicken.

The reason I mention all that "solid black" stuff is because solid colored lavenders are a solid black chicken pure for lavender. In other words, lavender is not a specific color, it's a pigment diluter. Lavender dilutes black to that shade of gray.

Lavender dilutes red/golds to a straw color.. if L'K was not pure for lavender, he would have been a black bird with gold on his saddle area. (mentioning this in case it helps with visualizing)

If your black NN bantam hen was pure lavender, she would have been solid lavender as she doesn't have any color leakage.

Him being barred is entirely coincidental and has nothing to do with color on his back.

p.s. how was this? Still working on how to do short n' sweet replies..

That was wonderful!! I love the visuals so never apologize. Just want to be sure that if I get some lavender hens from this pair that the hens won't have this leakage. Thanks!

 

[Kev]

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Just one(if the bird bred to was not pure for beards) or two.

Like Lisa says, sometimes the naked neck removes the beard but you can tell if they have the gene by sideburns/mutton chops or much reduced wattles if they aren't even showing any trace of beard/muffs. Beard gene also reduces the wattles, so that is why you want to check out the wattles. The exception for this is if you're working with and want pea combs, it will be trickier as pea comb also reduces wattle size so on these you'd have to look for traces of beards and sideburns.

 

[Kev]

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It's because he's not a solid black chicken. The color on his back are color leaking through on a bird that doesn't have all the extra genes to turn them solid black. A common problem in breeding solid colored chickens, especially in birds descended from a cross.

There isn't a single "all black" gene in chickens, it's basically a 'main gene' that makes the chicken mostly black but they still need a couple extra "helper" genes to turn solid black. L'K is missing one or more of those extra genes and as a result, color is leaking through. He's pure for lavender, not pure for the necessary genes for a solid black chicken.

The reason I mention all that "solid black" stuff is because solid colored lavenders are a solid black chicken pure for lavender. In other words, lavender is not a specific color, it's a pigment diluter. Lavender dilutes black to that shade of gray.

Lavender dilutes red/golds to a straw color.. if L'K was not pure for lavender, he would have been a black bird with gold on his saddle area. (mentioning this in case it helps with visualizing)

If your black NN bantam hen was pure lavender, she would have been solid lavender as she doesn't have any color leakage.

Him being barred is entirely coincidental and has nothing to do with color on his back.

p.s. how was this? Still working on how to do short n' sweet replies..

That was wonderful!! I love the visuals so never apologize. Just want to be sure that if I get some lavender hens from this pair that the hens won't have this leakage. Thanks!

Yay, I'm getting better, thanks!

If you don't want leakage, definitely breed to solid black birds. But keep in mind, don't be surprised if some of the offspring still leak some color. Most of L'K's brothers stayed solid.. sorry that didn't happen with him. It's harder to to pick out males as they often stay solid colored until they get their first rooster feathers on saddle, wing bow and hackles.

If you have barred rocks, they will be useful for your goal as they're solid black birds too- just have barring added on top. This will be a sex linked mating too, if L'K is used- cockerels will have a white head spot at hatch, girls none. Won't work for sex linked mating with L'S- he will throw barred chicks in both sexes with any hens.

 

[Kev]

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Whoa! That's the most(autosomal) barred NN chick I ever saw! (someone talked about pencilled chicks? was that you?) Will have to wait and see how much of the barring she holds into adulthood. Very often chicks with barred wing feathers eventually lose them and it becomes another pattern- it's because they have the main gene for barring (Pg, the Pencilling gene) but lack the other genes to maintain it into adulthood or are on a "main color base" such as wheaten that strongly tends to remove patterns from the body.

She would be valuable for a pencilled NN project.

 

[banjoejoe4783]

just posting the good news my son just won grand champ bantam with his bantam red NNs

 

[Kev]

Congrats!

 

[gootziecat]

Congratulations! A great win for you AND our NNs.

 

[Nitrostreak]

pgpulty: Sorry, they're hatchery chicks. NO clue as to parentage. I've been getting asked that a lot! I wish I could find out

gootzie: Thanks! I really don't need any more roos in my pen

Kev: I'm hoping and praying she keeps that barring! She's a terrible tease so far. I don't believe I've asked about the penciling, but I'm definitely interested now. It'll be so pretty if it stays. I'll definitely keep it in mind if I ever take on a penciling project!

 

[catsew]

Congrats on the win. Hopefully that will be me next fall, or I should say my daughter.

 

[maralpz2006]

banjoejoe4783 congratulations they are beautiful