Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[gritsar]

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Thanks for the info - is it harder to find the large fowl ? Or do most people have the bantams?

Mine are standards and they came from Ideal Poultry. I was thrilled that in the four I got a variety in colors - Ivy is black, with some gold lacing on her chest and bowtie, Pansy is almost a buff, just a little darker, Mandi is a pretty red/rust color and Impy the cockerel is what I'm told is called a buff columbian.

 

[Kev]

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Did I make it less or more confusing? I'll edit it again after I look something up. Would pure naked neck be (NaNa) and one copy / not-pure naked neck (Na)

Because... I didn't know you could get feather-neck chicks from 2 NN parents. I don't think that ever happened here and it's good to know!

More than okay with me to edit and put up somewhere.

Could be it is wires getting crossed up by what exactly is meant by "NN"- could be either Naked Neck or 2 doses of the naked neck gene(my bad if I misunderstand.. had to enertain a nephew all day, am so exhausted right now lol)... "Formally", pure naked neck would be genotype (NaNa), not pure would be (Nana+) and feather neck (na+na+). The + is just a notation to indicate wild type(Henk's calculator uses it for example). Not naked neck is the wild type version for this gene.

For example to apply it to my own example above:

NaNa x na+na+= 100% Nana+
Nana+ x na+na+= 50% Nana+ 50% na+na+
Nana+ x Nana+= 25% NaNa 50% Nana+ 25% na+na+ (this one is how two naked necked parents can throw feather neck chicks)
NaNa x NaNa= 100% NaNa

Now my turn to worry about making it seem more confusing.. this is just the formal verison of my earlier "NN x buff orp".. this works exactly the same as pure NN/not pure NN x feather neck or NaNa/Nana+ x na+na+... I try to go for what might help the most people understand the general idea at the moment.

So these chicks would have to be (Na) / not-pure naked neck --- Pure naked neck x feather-neck = 100% naked necked chicks.
Or could they be (NaNa) / pure for naked neck?

Pure naked neck(NaNa) x feather neck(na+na+) would result in 100% naked neck chicks, but all will not be pure(Nana+)

Not-pure naked neck x feather-neck = 50% naked necked chicks.

I've managed to confuse myself.

No you got the general idea correct it seems to me... Nana+ x na+na+= 50% Nana+(naked neck) and 50% na+na+(feather neck)

edit: Started a Naked Neck page . Grabbed some neat info from Hutt, "Genetics of the Fowl" on Naked Necks (skip the bit about Feather tumors in canaries and Apterylosis, hahaha).

Great start! Good info on that- has the name and date of the "Na" plus the illustration of feather tract area comparisons to boot.​

 

[Kev]

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Thanks for the info. Asked because I was interested in seeing if being pure for both naked neck *and* pea comb** makes the birds even more naked or not.. I've made NN x pea comb crosses but didn't get to breed for birds to be pure for both. Noticed the chicks had no bowtie, got me wondering....

** pea comb has the side effect of reducing the overall number of feathers on a bird, and have noticed NN crossed with pea combs throw chicks more naked than single combed cross birds.. I've done this cross many times and has been fairly consistent.. your chicks definitely show this- the faces not being fully fuzzy and a larger naked area around the nose and comb areas.

 

[Inkheart]

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Hi! I've got barred Naked Necks:
http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp102/dipsydoodledoo/Naked Necks/10110024-1.jpg
They are large fowl green-eggers.

Lisa

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see some pictures - here i was thinking i was all original wanting to make a barred naked neck! LOL
I might have to order some eggs in the spring!

 

[Kev]

Also very easy to make. All you need is a bird with barring and a bird with naked neck then breed together If you want clean black and white barring, it's best to use a solid black turken as barring is simply barring gene on a solid black chicken.

Barred rock/cuckooMarans/any ol' barred roo x turken hen= barred naked necks in both sexes.

Barring is sex linked so if you do a turken with a barred hen only the cockerels will be barred and all pullets non-barred.

If you have something like a Delaware, that would be a good cross for big size turkens plus introduce barring.. breed a Del with black turken and you will have barred turkens right off.

It's also easy to get barring on other colors such as buff barred, red barred etc. Most barred birds are on a black base. Black is dominant so the first cross will be black and barred, breed one of them to whatever your color goal is(if it's red barred, cross to a red bird) and you will get barred birds in that color. The barring tends to be less distinct though. Good way to make a even more variable color flock or just to make a cool new color turken...

 

[Inkheart]

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Thank you sooooo much ! That was really informative - you are my "chicken hero" now! LOL

 

[Kev]

Haha, thanks! Just doing my part to help turkens and folks who love them.

Good luck with your projects and be sure to show all of us pics.

 

[Inkheart]

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You have me thinking of taking a back Turken to my delaware girls!

 

[1Chick Magnet]

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Very nice.. Is the darker one the mom to the one I got from U ?
I would B interested in UR cross I would love a Blue egg layer

I am really happy that you guys like my birds.

thankyou. davlyn--the birds in the photo are not related to yours at all. they are about 4 months old. they are my new breeding stock for next year so at some point I will have chicks from them. the mom of yours is a pure white crested blue bantam polish and the dad was a white showgirl rooster. the black skin comes from dad.

 

[1Chick Magnet]

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Did I make it less or more confusing? I'll edit it again after I look something up. Would pure naked neck be (NaNa) and one copy / not-pure naked neck (Na)

Because... I didn't know you could get feather-neck chicks from 2 NN parents. I don't think that ever happened here and it's good to know!

So these chicks would have to be (Na) / not-pure naked neck --- Pure naked neck x feather-neck = 100% naked necked chicks.
Or could they be (NaNa) / pure for naked neck?
These would have to be (Na)? --- Not-pure naked neck x feather-neck = 50% naked necked chicks.

I've managed to confuse myself.

Lisa
edit: Started a Naked Neck page . Grabbed some neat info from Hutt, "Genetics of the Fowl" on Naked Necks (skip the bit about Feather tumors in canaries and Apterylosis, hahaha).

I did have a hard time letting z go. she was the best of the bunch from that breeding. I think she got a good home so I am happy.