Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

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Hi! It depends on whether your barred bird is male or female and also whether your barred male has one gene for barring or two.
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Barring
Usually a purebred barred male might be expected to be carrying two barring genes (BB). So if he is crossed with a non-barred hen then all of his offspring, whichever gender, would inherit *one barring gene from him.

Barred roo(BB) x non-barred hen = 100% barred offspring (male and female)

A barred male that is *Bb when mated with a non-barred female will produce 50% barred offspring and 50% non-barred offspring.

Barred hen x non-barred roo = barred males, non-barred females (can be sexed at hatch by head spot)
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(At least, that's the way I understand it)

Lisa

 

[1 Bad Rotti]

Thanks for the help, not sure if my barred nn rooster is full or if he is half barred rock. The guy I purchased them from had both breeds.

 

[greenSearcher]

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When you say wattle, as in one side missing and one hanging, I guess it is a "defect", but with NN, I am thinking that a 'wattle' is probably where a beard would be if one of of the parents/grandparents was a bearded bird. My guy has uneven wattles, a nice hatchery bird.

Speaking of quirky NN, Oakley and his 5 Annies had their first look at watermelon, I left them laughing, as they were no better than the 4 wk old babies, the watermelon got the What the He.. squack and 33 evil eyes. Silly birds. I wonder if they will venture to taste it.

 

[Kev]

Haha!

I have no idea what is up with the "middle wattle", that's what you're asking about right? Looks same as turkey wattle? Perhaps the middle one should be called dewlap?

There are some with "three wattles"- the pair of usual wattles plus the dewlap.

The only thing I can think of is some other breeds seem to have the dewlap.. Brahmas, some Malays, etc and maybe it's more common than many realize but it's hidden by feathers... Perhaps the dewlaps in NN is simply making it more visible, without the feathers to hide it?

Small wattles often are associated with beard- d'Uccles usually are really good examples of this, and "sort of" also with pea comb.

I have seen NN with normal combs and tiny/nonexistent wattles.. they looked much like a bearded chicken to me, minus the beard fuzz.

I do not know why either why beards are so variable on NN- in my experience the most common look was sideburns without the chin part. A few had the beards too but they always looked like "chin curtain" beard. Had only one hen I suspected had the beard/muff gene but was totally clean faced, because her wattles were nonexistent. And then there's the one NN hen with a huge honking beard shown many pages back.. never had one even close to that.

Long way of saying I don't really know but my guess is no wattle probably has to do with beard/muff(and it's not visible) and dewlaps are being normal part of chicken variety..

Have you ever bred the wattle-less birds to non-NN, non-bearded birds? Beard is dominant so it should show up in this kind of cross.

Barring info is correct. Plus barred and cuckoo birds are actually solid black birds, with "barring added". So if they're all pure for the black base color, will only get barred and solid blacks from that.

To the others- thanks for the kind words and no problem.

That's exactly how turkens are to me- active and alert birds with charming personalities.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Hi! That's what I was trying to describe --- middle wattle / turkey wattle / dewlap!
That makes sense that it would be connected with beards and/or the gene for beard.

Lisa

 

[El Naked Neck]

Just wanted to stop by and say............I LOVE NAKED NECKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pgpoultry]

I'm growing to adore these chickens.

I don't have any with beards or dewlaps etc. and am have struggled with sexing them

, but I Love 'em.

Kev, I took a close look at Mortimer's feathers (she said confidently ditching the name Morticia). Anyway he answers to Mort.
When Mort came over for food I picked him up to find he is growing surprisingly heavy. The newly grown feathers on his back are 'black beetle green' and very pointy. The tail feathers continue to lengthen and he is taking on a more 'masculine' appearance. He's male!

(no need to find a suitable mate for the girls, then)

Mort is 18-19 weeks old. When can I expect him to starting singing and chasing the girls? He may be a bit put off by my alpha male, Whitey, who is one of the biggest Brahmas I have ever seen. Whitey is a total glutton and will not let anybody have food before him, but this is the only time he will peck others. He will not let anybody feed until he is feeding and is the only one crowing just now.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Hi! Shouldn't be long before Mort is mating. I've never noticed exactly what age any of the boys get started.

These three are siblings, and why I was asking about wattles.
This blue boy has a dewlap, no wattles:

This black boy has 'proper' wattles, no dewlap:

This splash boy has small wattles AND a dewlap:

All three carry the 'blue egg gene' and are available for adoption.

Lisa

 

[Kev]

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Congrats on Mort being a Mortimer!

Those new feathers on his back are the classic roo feathers you look out for on any breed, excepting those with henny feathering(Sebrights, some Campines). Henny feathered roos don't get the ultra shiny pointy feathers.

Whitey is a typical brahma! The ones I had were all about the food too...

Lisa, those to me look like typical range of wattles on pea combed birds. They sure have dewlaps! Kinda makes them look cool, somehow..

 

[ca]

I am kinda new to NNs but I have to admit that they really grow on you.

Mine are very gentle compared to some of the other breeds. Anyway, a pic is worth...

I got 6 of these