Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kassaundra]

Kev, or anyone w/ genetics knowledge or chick fuzz knowledge what do you think this one will color/pattern like?

 

[Kev]

Kev Glad u enjoyed seeing the pics he was a kikiri which I think is Spanish for bantam it was very nice looking I've seen a golden sea right here aswel is the lacing gene codominent like if I mix a laced hen with a non laced roo with no lacing history can some of there chicks develope the lacing or does it need to be rebred to a laced bird to get the lacing? Thank and cool project I've never seen any like that before also kass the chicks with the beards r really bearded nice

Lacing is due to several separate genes acting together.. not easy project to do from scratch but possible if you're willing to hatch and raise lots of chicks. The main genes you want are Co, Pg, Ml plus modifiers that help clear the center of feathers of any spotting or markings.

The more genes you need in a single bird, the harder it is.. that's why have to hatch lots- to get the lucky few with the right combinations. For example, I hatched over 80 brothers and sisters to these laced hens.. and only got three like that plus one gold(separate line) but the gold's lacing is not as good. But then I didn't re-breed back to laced bird though- my goal was large fowl and there wasn't any large fowl with laced tails (wyandottes have black tails, something I don't want).

Re breeding back to laced birds definitely will be much easier, but it still would be best to hatch as many chicks possible because most of them will end up with poor lacing or not even lacing at all, more like spangles(black dots on end of feather) or things like sort of double pencilled. Some of these can be really pretty but unfortunately many of these due to genetic quirks won't breed true if from a laced project.

Also there are very important differences between laced birds with laced tails or solid black tails. Laced tail is based on birchen(ER) and black tails on eb That gold lace roo is obviously on ER because his tail is laced. If you like that, he really really is a valuable bird but if you want black tails, he is not really something you want.

You can improve your chances of getting lacing faster if the non-laced bird has Co, as it's required for lacing anyways.. most birds with Co have mostly clear bodies with black on necks and tails- a common example of this are Light Brahmas.

but if the cross bird does not have Co Ml and is red duckwing, then that is really starting from scratch and will be harder to get good lacing fast but will be good start if the duckwing is eb and you want laced birds with black tails.

Wheaten is something you really do not want, as wheaten likes to remove color from the breasts so if you try to make lacing on wheaten birds, almost all of their breasts will be clear or just barely laced with okay lacing on backs.

I guess the lesson is lacing is complicated LOL but don't let it scare you! I'd really love to see other laced NN!

p.s. if you like sebrights.. breeding one with laced NN like in your picture will be so easy in getting decent or very good laced birds.

 

[Kev]

Soooooooooo tempting, I so don't want any bantam chickens, but if I did these would be at the absolute TOP of my list!!!!!!

Haha the best praise, thank you kindly!

I suppose that leads to me to ask- is there interest in laced large fowl NN?

I could get started on that by AI those bantams from the silver sussex roo- hes just huge and right color for silver laced with laced tails down the line. but if no interest, it would be hard to convince myself to get started on that.

 

[Kev]

was waiting to see if anybody would bite.. are there barred birds in your flock? wondering if that's the barred head spot.

I'm not too confident in guessing- chicks from mixed color flocks can be so misleading in their first appearence. again not confident, could be birchen or eb. also no idea how it would end up because there are many different genes and combinations that can give totally different results- could be pencilled, or dark body with some color on pyle zones or dark with lots of brown edging on feathers down the breast.

In short- I don't know!

Kev, or anyone w/ genetics knowledge or chick fuzz knowledge what do you think this one will color/pattern like?

 

[iguanasal]

Excellently written I understood it all very clearly thank u or taking the time to inform me I have learned much about chickens here reading.
I currently have only two birds that I will considered laced but are not nn that one was at a place 4sale and I didn't buy it. I only have two Roos a big one and a small frizzle one.
I had seen a gold sebright forsale at another place and thought that would have made a good pair then I more than likely will get the gold lacing but that is not a project I was going for although very nice.
I want to get some birds in my flock that are laced and frizzled I've seen this example before on the Internet and did not like it but its from a standard variety I want these not too look like that I prefer in some aspects mutts because I consider them more one of a kind although they are not that's y they r mutts but that's what I am going for by breeding the frizzle roo that has no lacing to the two laced non frizzle mix girls I've aquired I know this is a nn thread but I'm sure everyone likes chickens so here r the 3

Thru in our nn frizzle chicken vulture she is always with the 3 white silkies except at night she sleeps up in the sticks in the coop and they sleep on a plywood ontop of a milkcrate.

 

[Kassaundra]

was waiting to see if anybody would bite.. are there barred birds in your flock? wondering if that's the barred head spot.

I'm not too confident in guessing- chicks from mixed color flocks can be so misleading in their first appearence. again not confident, could be birchen or eb. also no idea how it would end up because there are many different genes and combinations that can give totally different results- could be pencilled, or dark body with some color on pyle zones or dark with lots of brown edging on feathers down the breast.

In short- I don't know!

No barring in the flock, but there is birchen. I had several w/ some version or other of the head spot, but not barred.

Yes, on interest in the laced large fowl NN

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Are Silver Sussex laced? I guess they are, but the lacing doesn't look the same. I had been trying to think of a laced breed that is single combed and all I could come up with was LF Cochin.

 

[Reina Rana]

My buff and red NN girls.




Finally got a shot of all 3 NN together...hanging with their man and "sister wives".

 

[chicken farmer]

Has anyone's turkens gone broody?

 

[Easter eggers]

My nn hen hatched 2 out the other day