Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[aoxa]

I was going through my pictures the other day and found this. Look at the legs on that barred NN I had last spring. My 10 that time turned out to be 7 boys and 3 girls. I think I deserve the girls I got this time around

I just hatched another NN.

Also, I had some 'silkies' hatch that were not silkies but rather crosses. I have seen Brian mate with the hen in question. What are the chances they would all have feathered necks? I'm trying to figure out who the dad is. Not barred rocks, as they aren't barred.. Not my houdan, or EE as they ignore the silkies completely... Would it be easy to tell if it was Brian or an Ameraucana bantam?

 

[Kassaundra]

I am love-love-loving that black-skin guy, Jax. He is a really handsome bird : ) One of his parents was a mottled Houdan? Would that account for the silver 'leakage'?

I'm not sure but do not think so, the other NN's I have that have a mottled houdan parent are all black, it was my understanding it takes two mottles to express mottled color.

 

[Kev]

Well my BR males bred to red sex links gave me tons of white barred chicks.




Like so, but they have ghost barring, so I guess you could still call them barred.





So my barred NNs are from either of the two above roosters.

I appreciate all your info. It's very interesting!

I'd love to get them bigger. My NNs are on the small side.

wow beautiful birds! if you get barred NNs with barring that nice, would love to see them..

Yeah the dominant white from the sex links are making what would otherwise have been barred birds, white. Dominant white works well on black pigments but not so well on reds/golds.. that's why sex links and Brian have mostly red bodies with white tails. If they didn't have DW they'd be colored like RIR. BR bred with sex links is a cross between a black chicken with a colored chicken. Black is dominant, normally the chicks would turn out black but barring and dominant white are side players changing the results...

Generally, to get bigger chicks, breed with bigger hen rather than bigger rooster if possible as in breed a NN roo with a hen from large/heavy breed than vice versa. Not a hard and fast rule though... I've been trying to breed for bigger NN in one line too. Have a trio of silver Sussex right now and those are the biggest chickens I've ever had... might let them "visit" the NN some time...

 

[Kev]

I was going through my pictures the other day and found this. Look at the legs on that barred NN I had last spring. My 10 that time turned out to be 7 boys and 3 girls. I think I deserve the girls I got this time around

I just hatched another NN.

Also, I had some 'silkies' hatch that were not silkies but rather crosses. I have seen Brian mate with the hen in question. What are the chances they would all have feathered necks? I'm trying to figure out who the dad is. Not barred rocks, as they aren't barred.. Not my houdan, or EE as they ignore the silkies completely... Would it be easy to tell if it was Brian or an Ameraucana bantam?

I hope I deserve girls this year!!

Not pure NN bred with non-NN will give 50% NN. But it's like sex ratios, you're supposed to get 50% boys or girls yet it can really skew either way in small numbers. If the flock is mixed and free breeding, the chances of NN from non NN hens with non NN roos and not pure NN roos can get rather low, just 25% at best.

The only easy tell for Brian parentage from silkies is if they seem dominant white- white with random black flecks, especially if you do not have any blue or splash roosters or if a chick turns out brown/red/gold bodied with white on tail and white spots on hackles similar to sex links or Brian... that's an effect of the dominant white. Brian can throw chicks without those traits though... so with some chicks you'd probably never know for sure.

 

[Kev]

I'm not sure but do not think so, the other NN's I have that have a mottled houdan parent are all black, it was my understanding it takes two mottles to express mottled color.

color leakage is very common result of black bred with something not black like a red duckwing, wheaten or not solid black such as brown red, birchen, red copper etc.

there is not really a single gene that turns a chicken completely solid black. They all need extra "helper genes" to help "fill in the colored areas" to give result of a visually solid black chicken. So if a black is either lacking some or not pure for all of them, they can show some leakage.

Jaxom is most likely a birchen,it's normal for birchen roosters to be colored like that. A lot of solid black chickens are birchen with heaps of those helper genes to turn them solid black so birchen looking chickens from black crosses or mixes is pretty common.

A black chicken bred with a (black and white) mottle* is usually a breeding of two black chickens with all the helper genes in there, so the result would be mostly or all solid black chickens.

* a black and white mottle is really a solid black chicken, except with the mottle gene "added". Mottling purely by itself only causes white tips to a feather.

 

[Kassaundra]

color leakage is very common result of black bred with something not black like a red duckwing, wheaten or not solid black such as brown red, birchen, red copper etc.

there is not really a single gene that turns a chicken completely solid black. They all need extra "helper genes" to help "fill in the colored areas" to give result of a visually solid black chicken. So if a black is either lacking some or not pure for all of them, they can show some leakage.

A black chicken bred with a (black and white) mottle* is usually a breeding of two black chickens with all the helper genes in there, so the result would be mostly or all solid black chickens.

* a black and white mottle is really a solid black chicken, except with the mottle gene "added". Mottling purely by itself only causes white tips to a feather.

I know the hooda's had one mottled parent they are all black visually




So what do you suspect is going on w/ Jaxom?




Now


as a chick

 

[aoxa]

I hope I deserve girls this year!!

Not pure NN bred with non-NN will give 50% NN. But it's like sex ratios, you're supposed to get 50% boys or girls yet it can really skew either way in small numbers. If the flock is mixed and free breeding, the chances of NN from non NN hens with non NN roos and not pure NN roos can get rather low, just 25% at best.

The only easy tell for Brian parentage from silkies is if they seem dominant white- white with random black flecks, especially if you do not have any blue or splash roosters or if a chick turns out brown/red/gold bodied with white on tail and white spots on hackles similar to sex links or Brian... that's an effect of the dominant white. Brian can throw chicks without those traits though... so with some chicks you'd probably never know for sure.

Well that helps, because that is exactly how they look!! Little yellow chicks with a couple of random black dots. They definitely have dominant white, as they are coloured just like those white birds from my BR X RSL cross.

As for the barring in the males, I have had an Easter Egger come out from the same dad with really decent barring. It would be neat to see if I could get similar results from the NN x BR cross.

 

[aoxa]

Kev,

Here are those babies...





Two like this. Brian is the only rooster who I believe carries dominant white. So you think he's the daddy?




Definitely not the daddy here.


See that brown around the bum here? It's not just the camera. This chick has brown in it's down.


Now this one I need help identifying who the dad could be. Bantam Ameraucana, Barred Plymouth Rock, or Naked Neck Turken (Brian).

I think the bantam Ameraucana is the father. Any thoughts?

 

[Kev]

Yea, his chick down screams "birchen", so does his current feather pattern. He's basically birchen without anything else added to cover up the birchen pattern. that second picture of him is comical!

I know the hooda's had one mottled parent they are all black visually




So what do you suspect is going on w/ Jaxom?




Now


as a chick

 

[Kev]

Quote: Oh yeah that's definitely dominant white. the little black spots in down are classic of DW crosses. No question of him being the dad. I'm also guessing these have black skin gene, however DW also has a repressing effect on skin pigmentation to varying degrees. They may show more of it later.. or not.


Quote: Still potential to be his if male.. if there's no barred hens(I forget if you have some or not?) then this definitely not his.


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Now that could be tricky.. it seems your silkie is not bearded? if your Amer is purebred and pure for beard gene, then he probably is not father as I don't see any trace of beard on this chick... beard is dominant/semi-dominant. I'm not sure if it's just color patchiness, or if that's a trace of barred head spot on that chick's head..?