Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Incompletely dominant traits (Naked necks and Frizzled feathers) will only hatch sometimes (about 50% each), and should NOT be bred together when these birds are mature, to prevent debilitating feathering problems,...

I just read this (on an ad selling Naked Neck eggs) and never heard that Naked Necks should not be bred together. Is this something new? We know not to breed frizzle x frizzle.

I've heard that from show breeders and also showgirl breeders. Never got anything specific other than 'just not good' or 'makes them too naked'.  As for showgirls, I think the real issue is Na combined with rose/pea/walnut that can sometimes make very naked chicks- totally bare neck, almost all bare breast, sides under wings, very exposed vent plus large broad naked areas around face, nose and even around bottom of the crest knob can be "shocking".  Possibly some worries about their ability to tolerate winter cold?

I had one line of homozygous only hatchery stock bred for several generations.... didn't notice any health or feather issues.  Was breeding for totally clean necks, that did not happen at all in this line.

I'd be curious if there are any specific claims, too.

Great chicks.

Maybe it would make sense for Naked Neck Silkie breeders, as a preference. I don't understand why anyone would make a *blanket statement* that Naked Necks should NOT be bred together because they have feather problems. It is, in my experience, not true!
I have quite a few of those 'very naked' pea-comb Naked Necks. I LIKE them!
; )

 

[Kev]

Maybe it would make sense for Naked Neck Silkie breeders, as a preference. I don't understand why anyone would make a *blanket statement* that Naked Necks should NOT be bred together because they have feather problems. It is, in my experience, not true!
I have quite a few of those 'very naked' pea-comb Naked Necks. I LIKE them!
; )

Yours are wonderful! I might not chat much but love all those pictures. you're probably right about it being a preference more than anything else.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Thanks! Biggest hatch season this year!
Set 210 eggs last week and another group of 225 last night! My incubator holds 500+ eggs and hatcher holds 200+ and I never expected to actually fill them up (shakes head and admits, 'yes I did'). The Rocks and Ameraucana are to sell and all the project chicks are for ME ME ME!

 

[Kev]

O no you dinnit! Wish I could be there on hatch day to see ALL those chicks!

 

[Kassaundra]

Lock down for me starts tonight, hatch day is Sunday. I have 30 in the bator. All NN, green, white, and brown eggs.

 

[Kev]

Lock down for me starts tonight, hatch day is Sunday. I have 30 in the bator. All NN, green, white, and brown eggs.

have some eggs under broody hen due on Monday. some of Star's girls and LF.

 

[SlipsWife]

Maybe it would make sense for Naked Neck Silkie breeders, as a preference. I don't understand why anyone would make a *blanket statement* that Naked Necks should NOT be bred together because they have feather problems. It is, in my experience, not true!
I have quite a few of those 'very naked' pea-comb Naked Necks. I LIKE them!
; )

I'm so confused...I thought NN were bred too NN to make more NN. I also thought the NN trait was dominant and would show up in crosses. So, are you not suppose to breed NN to NN or were they saying not to breed NN to Frizzle because of the possible issues? so...confused...I need to stick with just buying chicks, no breeding...to confusing....lol

 

[Kassaundra]

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good hatching vibes headed your way!

 

[Kev]

I'm so confused...I thought NN were bred too NN to make more NN. I also thought the NN trait was dominant and would show up in crosses. So, are you not suppose to breed NN to NN or were they saying not to breed NN to Frizzle because of the possible issues? so...confused...I need to stick with just buying chicks, no breeding...to confusing....lol

No worries. Ask away!

NN is dominant, but in reality "semi- dominant" because there's a visual difference between a bird that's pure or not pure for the naked neck gene. Yeah that's confusing- naked neck is both the name of a breed and a particular trait...

In a bit simple explanation- birds pure for naked neck have either no bowtie or only a small bowtie with few feathers on front of the neck. Birds not pure for naked neck have a much bigger patch, more like a bib with too many to easily count feathers on neck and it covers all or most of the front neck.

The one chick you recently showed is pure for the NN gene- it's why you "see a little more of her/him", as the naked areas throughout the body are also larger. As adults the long loose feathers tend to cover up a lot of the body nakedness though.

 

[SlipsWife]

No worries. Ask away!

NN is dominant, but in reality "semi- dominant" because there's a visual difference between a bird that's pure or not pure for the naked neck gene. Yeah that's confusing- naked neck is both the name of a breed and a particular trait...

In a bit simple explanation- birds pure for naked neck have either no bowtie or only a small bowtie with few feathers on front of the neck. Birds not pure for naked neck have a much bigger patch, more like a bib with too many to easily count feathers on neck and it covers all or most of the front neck.

The one chick you recently showed is pure for the NN gene- it's why you "see a little more of her/him", as the naked areas throughout the body are also larger. As adults the long loose feathers tend to cover up a lot of the body nakedness though.

Thank you! We have 2 NN from Cackle, one has a very naked neck, which we prefer, and the other has a large 'bib'. Is that from breeding the necked neck trait with a non-necked neck? We also ordered more NN pullets from Ideal this year and were planning to keep only the ones that have the nakedess (spell check says that is not a word, I can't blame it...lol) necks. (the one from the early post is from Cackle as part of a Surprise and one of the most necked ones we've received out of the dozen or so we've had). Can we do harm by breeding a very naked bird with another very naked bird?

I was mainly wanting a NN rooster to put over a few different hens for fun and for once we are crossing our fingers that sexing might have been off on the 9 Ideal pullets or the 1 pictured from Cackle might be a rooster since we have 2 hens from last year. I'm a little concerned that its not going to be as easy as just letting them do their thing.

If we put a NN roo over different types of hens, will all of the offspring be NN?

These are some older pictures of what are now our 2 hens. We really thought the red girl was a rooster, this year we aren't making any guesses! I believe they were about 5 months old in these photos. I really need to get updated photos of our hens! Our thinking was we wouldn't want to hatch eggs from the black girl because she has to much extra bib and doesn't have the nice clean neck that we like. What's the safest/best way to decide who to breed and who to not?