Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[SlipsWife]

NN's w/ beards are the bomb!!!! lol lol lol

I hate to pick favorites but seriously, LOVE them!!!

 

[SlipsWife]

Yes she is. If you can clearly, immediately see the front of neck and basically a V front shirt appearance(can see the crop easily when full) below the feathered area it's a bowtie. If only occasionally or only see not all that much of the front neck below the feathered area, it's a bib.

Bowtie- only couple feathers on each side of neck, easy to see his crop:



Bibbed, can't see front of neck easily, you see only the back of neck that easily.




Day olds.. middle and right are bowties- fuzzy patch on neck is small, but also easy tell are the naked spot between eye and beak, other areas behind eye, also when handled they have larger bare areas elsewhere on body.

Bibbed chick on left has a fully fuzzy face, patch on neck is larger. Their bodies are also fuzzier with smaller naked patches.

Without handling it's the bare patch between eye and beak that's a big and easy tell.



Hatchery stock never produce bearded birds as far as I know. Bibbed and non bearded chicks have a fuzzy face like that chick on left They lose a lot of that fuzz as they grow, however sometimes they end up with areas of tiny feathers on the 'cheeks'.

It's been a while a bearded NN chick has been posted here.. often the muffs are pretty distinct, some also have a beard.

Ok, now I'm back on track for wanting a NN rooster and playing around with a few different types of hens.

 

[Kev]

Ok, now I'm back on track for wanting a NN rooster and playing around with a few different types of hens.

Great! What are your ideas and breeds to put NN over? we love projects around here.

an aside- all my previous info was for single combed birds. Tried to keep it simple as possible at first. The curve ball is other comb types... pea comb has a few other side effects than just turning the comb into the pea comb shape. Combined with NN it can give birds that are a little more naked than if they were single combed. For example a bibbed single comb bird can have a very large bib covering all of the front neck. But if this very same bird had a pea comb, the bib can be smaller and shorter, exposing more of the neck.. so some of them can pass for a bowtie even though they are not genetically pure for the naked neck gene. Also pea comb NN chicks have the naked spots on the face, whether they are pure or not pure for NN.

 

[Kassaundra]

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Bearded chicks you say, ask and ye shall receive




beard and bib




lt chick beard small bib




chick on the right shows what a beard does w/ a bow tie




Thought I saw a beard when the pic was tiny, blame old eyes.




Chick on the rt w/ beard bow tie





beard bib


beard bow tie



beard bib




As you can see sometimes the bib can be small enough to almost be a bow tie.

 

[SlipsWife]

Great! What are your ideas and breeds to put NN over? we love projects around here.

an aside- all my previous info was for single combed birds. Tried to keep it simple as possible at first. The curve ball is other comb types... pea comb has a few other side effects than just turning the comb into the pea comb shape. Combined with NN it can give birds that are a little more naked than if they were single combed. For example a bibbed single comb bird can have a very large bib covering all of the front neck. But if this very same bird had a pea comb, the bib can be smaller and shorter, exposing more of the neck.. so some of them can pass for a bowtie even though they are not genetically pure for the naked neck gene. Also pea comb NN chicks have the naked spots on the face, whether they are pure or not pure for NN.

Ummm...I didn't know I should put thought on combs into it...lol

I was thinking about a NNxSilkie or a NNxFrizzle Cochin...I was under the impression that if we breed a NN with a Silkie, we would have NN silkies...right? We have a frizzled cochin bantam but I'm not sure if I should try hatching her eggs or not since her wing feathers are like porcupine quills.

I would also like to try to get larger eggs from our NN. Our girls are giving us 2 oz eggs, which I believe would be considered medium right? Shouldn't they be larger now that they are a year old? That being said, I haven't weighed them in a couple of months so they maybe larger than they were. They were tiny when we got them, we honestly thought they were bantams, but they caught up with everyone else. I'm wondering if they just came from small eggs (I was thinking just young pullet originally) and won't be large egg layers. They are consistent though and I'd rather have reliability than size!

I'm interested to see how our Ideal pullets compare to our Cackle girls. I'm sure in a few years I'll be 'over' hatchery birds and find breeders that have what we want.

 

[SlipsWife]

Bearded chicks you say, ask and ye shall receive




beard and bib




lt chick beard small bib




chick on the right shows what a beard does w/ a bow tie




Thought I saw a beard when the pic was tiny, blame old eyes.




Chick on the rt w/ beard bow tie





beard bib


beard bow tie



beard bib




As you can see sometimes the bib can be small enough to almost be a bow tie.

STOP THE MADNESS!!! I want them all...I'm starting to rethink breeding/hatching NN...I won't be able to decide who I want to keep and I'll try to keep them all! I'm selling a few of our extra chicks and no one seem interested in our NN...it makes me sad...

 

[Kev]

Ummm...I didn't know I should put thought on combs into it...lol

I was thinking about a NNxSilkie or a NNxFrizzle Cochin...I was under the impression that if we breed a NN with a Silkie, we would have NN silkies...right? We have a frizzled cochin bantam but I'm not sure if I should try hatching her eggs or not since her wing feathers are like porcupine quills.

I would also like to try to get larger eggs from our NN. Our girls are giving us 2 oz eggs, which I believe would be considered medium right? Shouldn't they be larger now that they are a year old? That being said, I haven't weighed them in a couple of months so they maybe larger than they were. They were tiny when we got them, we honestly thought they were bantams, but they caught up with everyone else. I'm wondering if they just came from small eggs (I was thinking just young pullet originally) and won't be large egg layers. They are consistent though and I'd rather have reliability than size!

I'm interested to see how our Ideal pullets compare to our Cackle girls. I'm sure in a few years I'll be 'over' hatchery birds and find breeders that have what we want.

NN x Silkie would give NN with normal feathers, as silky is a recessive trait. They would look similar to Kassaundra's hoodias except with variable leg feathering. There's pictures of silkie crosses here and elsewere on this forum.

USDA- 2 oz is Large size. Egg size is genetic and definitely needs selection if the size is not to be lost.. hatch from hens that consistently laid larger eggs and use roosters from large egg mothers. Easy to outcross to large egg breed as NN is dominant and easy to pure breed after the cross- especially if feather color and type isn't terribly important...

 

[Kassaundra]

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To get the show girls, which are the NN w/ the silkied feathers (even boys are called show girls

) You would have to take the first gen cross of the NN and silkie and breed back to silkie. That would give you a % of show girl, % of nn w/ regular feathers, % of silkies.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Uh Oh! You are hooked : )

 

Great!  What are your ideas and breeds to put NN over?  we love projects around here.

an aside-  all my previous info was for single combed birds.  Tried to keep it simple as possible at first.  The curve ball is other comb types...   pea comb has a few other side effects than just turning the comb into the pea comb shape.   Combined with NN  it can give birds that are a little more naked than if they were single combed.   For example a bibbed single comb bird can have a very large bib covering all of the front neck. But if this very same bird had a pea comb, the bib can be smaller and shorter, exposing more of the neck.. so some of them can pass for a bowtie even though they are not genetically pure for the naked neck gene.  Also pea comb NN chicks have the naked spots on the face, whether they are pure or not pure for NN.

Ummm...I didn't know I should put thought on combs into it...lol

I was thinking about a NNxSilkie  or a NNxFrizzle Cochin...I was under the impression that if we breed a NN with a Silkie, we would have NN silkies...right?  We have a frizzled cochin bantam but I'm not sure if I should try hatching her eggs or not since her wing feathers are like porcupine quills.

I would also like to try to get larger eggs from our NN.  Our girls are giving us 2 oz eggs, which I believe would be considered medium right?  Shouldn't they be larger now that they are a year old?  That being said, I haven't weighed them in a couple of months so they maybe larger than they were.  They were tiny when we got them, we honestly thought they were bantams, but they caught up with everyone else.  I'm wondering if they just came from small eggs (I was thinking just young pullet originally) and won't be large egg layers.  They are consistent though and I'd rather have reliability than size!

I'm interested to see how our Ideal pullets compare to our Cackle girls.  I'm sure in a few years I'll be 'over' hatchery birds and find breeders that have what we want.

 

[Kev]

Uh Oh! You are hooked : )

Haha yes hooked! Any thoughts on crossing NN with frizzle? I didn't comment on that part because it's very mild here, so that wouldn't be an issue.. but how about for those in really cold winter areas?