Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

They loved sunbathing - including one (sex unsure) that first looked black (with all black down), but now has a lot of copper highlights (and white face markings):

And some other assorted shots showing the different colors/patterns in their baby feathers:


I would welcome anyone offering "proper" names for any of these feather color/patterns (though I realize they will grow into adult plumage) - I'm stuck with light brown, dark brown, red brown, brown back, black brown...

I am SOOOOOO glad to get them outside!!!

- Ant Farm

Some white on chicks from black chicken breeds is normal, these go away by first adult molt.

Blacks developing a lot of either brown or white are usually based the Birchen pattern. Birchen is the name of the gene itself but is also used to use the color in some breed- birchen modern games for example. Other hobby names are brown red, gold birchen, black copper, red crowwing.

Most of the chicks would be described as black tail buffs or reds. genetically wheaten with columbian(Co) gene added. Co likes to restrict the black pigments to the neck, tail and wing tips leaving the body that 'mostly clear' color.

 

[Kev]

Yes, but I'm not sure what would be considered a "pattern" that might end up partridge - Sweetie has dark speckles, some of the boys have blocks of color in patterns... I guess I'm just too inexperienced.

- Ant Farm

The hobby is really bad with inconsistent terminology, I had a hard time getting it all straightened out for a good while.

One major way in figuring out what they have is by chick down pattern.

Genetic partridge is what the laced wyandottes, dark brown leghorns have. Chickdown variable, with stripes on back(some don;t really have stripes, looking more frosted) with marbling pattern on head. genetic notation- eb.

They never start out with black chick down.. black chick down is always one of the two major 'black genes'- E (extended black) or ER (birchen).

Telling these two apart is very tricky, even for experts. Very generally, adult E birds have much less color- only necks on hens- many are solid black, only on neck or wing bow or both for roosters. Birchens usually have more color- more neck area, lacing on the breast, extreme cases can have the color almost all over the body in either lacing or speckles.. roosters usually have a very colored hackle, saddle and wing bow.

There is overlap between the two and to make things even more muddy, they are both affected by independent genes that reduce the 'off color'... a birchen with those genes easily can be darker or solid black when compared to an E bird lacking those sort of genes.

There is not any single gene for solid black, they are all E or birchen plus being pure for those modifier genes to help them turn solid black.

 

[draye]

Okay here's a color for you.
Hatched out and looked black but you could see stripes in then like tge yellow chipmunk ones only they have black feathers instead of yellow.

They've still got that coloring bout have gold streaks throughout the down. Not quite but close tuba partridge color. Is this Gold Burchrn?

 

[draye]

Also have a couple chicks that were hatched blue but are developing the gold mottling (i don't think this is really mottling but don't know how else to call it, maybe flecks), could this be Blue Gold Duckwing?

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

The hobby is really bad with inconsistent terminology, I had a hard time getting it all straightened out for a good while.

One major way in figuring out what they have is by chick down pattern.

Genetic partridge is what the laced wyandottes, dark brown leghorns have. Chickdown variable, with stripes on back(some don;t really have stripes, looking more frosted) with marbling pattern on head. genetic notation- eb.

They never start out with black chick down.. black chick down is always one of the two major 'black genes'- E (extended black) or ER (birchen).

Telling these two apart is very tricky, even for experts. Very generally, adult E birds have much less color- only necks on hens- many are solid black, only on neck or wing bow or both for roosters. Birchens usually have more color- more neck area, lacing on the breast, extreme cases can have the color almost all over the body in either lacing or speckles.. roosters usually have a very colored hackle, saddle and wing bow.

There is overlap between the two and to make things even more muddy, they are both affected by independent genes that reduce the 'off color'... a birchen with those genes easily can be darker or solid black when compared to an E bird lacking those sort of genes.

There is not any single gene for solid black, they are all E or birchen plus being pure for those modifier genes to help them turn solid black.

OMG. I want to thank you, but I think my brains are now scrambled.

I did have a few with down that was pale with a dark stripe down the back (one with a dot on the head as well). Only one seems to have predominantly black and dark brown feathers coming out of yellow/pale down. The one with black down and the copper highlights has developed even more today - there a pretty pattern of brown on black developing - this one may then be the Birchen you are referring to. They are feathering out even more quickly now, so I'm sure I'll have a better sense soon...

- Ant Farm

 

[Kassaundra]

Meet Parrot, my little single chick. She was hatched by a broody who abandoned her at hatch (only interested in sitting on eggs not in raising chicks) no other eggs hatched, so I'm raising her as a single for now. She thinks me and "blue mom" (feather dusters) are real moms. NEVER imagined I would be a "mom" in a two mom family!!!!!!

 

[BantamFan4Life]

Meet Parrot, my little single chick. She was hatched by a broody who abandoned her at hatch (only interested in sitting on eggs not in raising chicks) no other eggs hatched, so I'm raising her as a single for now. She thinks me and "blue mom" (feather dusters) are real moms. NEVER imagined I would be a "mom" in a two mom family!!!!!!

She's adorable!

 

[Kev]

Love this pic!

 

[Phill98]

@Kev I have a question for you. Check PM

 

[draye]

https://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7122287/

Looks like she's a screamer. Cute!