Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

Yeah, I kinda don't want anything that comes with the Silkies - don't want silkied feathers, don't want leg feathering, not wanting a crest.....

tbh, I don't like any of those traits... especially leg feathering after forever fighting to get clean it out after an one time cross with feather leg....


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Yeah it is the only term I've come across for it. Not easy to come up with something that isn't offensive in some way for it.

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MMMmmmm.. haven't made soup but have wanted to for a halloween party... oven roasted for a party one time, it got a lot of attention for sure. Not much bites, though.. lol

There is one thing about fm on naked necks... brutally honest indicator! If it less than very dark, you are going to see it plain as day.. unlike on feather necks, they can 'pass' by having a dark face but sooty body skin(which happens a LOT more than many realize). Also, what with people making such a big deal of the skin being as dark as possible, why aren't they making all of them NN for this very reason? Visible and honest marketing... but then maybe TOO honest.. it really is not easy to get truly dark skinned fully mature roosters, especially on colors other than black feather. I tried for years for black skins on colors such as buffs, lavender, etc and every time practically all of the cockerels would lighten up before one yr of age. Hens were much easier but also often for some reason a lot of them would have to my eyes a grey tint over the skin- very solid excellent pigmentation but "intense dark grey" rather than black. also found out some birds it will combine with yellow skin to give a greenish, greenish-purplish tint all over their body on young birds. That green tint usually goes away when they start laying- it's used up for yolks- same thing with leghorn earlobes losing the yellow tint on the laying ones- in the old days they used that to pick out the high producers.

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from what I picked up by reading about them- svarts are heavier, calmer closer to dual purpose but still pretty light and ayams are often described as smaller/lighter, less friendly but "blacker/darker".

 

[Phill98]

If I wanted to get into some fm in my NNs, should I try to cross with Ayam Cemanis or something? (I'm thinking Snape plus an Ayam Cemani female would be super...)

I've seen gorges non nn rooster that was colored like Snape and was fm. Gorgeous! I don't really like red feathered fm's, but both silver and gold birchens, along with black and white look graet.

 

[Phill98]

@Kev, how hard would it be to get rid of crests?

 

[Kev]

@Kev, how hard would it be to get rid of crests?

It can be easy. Most of the het. crests show some kind of hint they have it. Most chicks have a funny sort of head at hatch. Most feathered out birds will have at least a few feathers that stick out a little, making the top of head not perfectly smooth. Crest deforms the skull and that in turns deforms the comb, most often making the rear of comb veer off to the side or the front of comb has kind of a squished/pushed forwards look. A lot of crested cream legbars have those issues so they are a great breed to check out for clues.

This rooster has crest, you can see the back part of comb has curved off to the right of him and not too easy to see in this pic, there are a couple feathers that stick out ever so slightly. This is the reason I also mention the combs.. crests usually are smaller and more slicked down on roosters than on hens. Picking normal and straight combs should be effective in breeding out crest.

 

[Phill98]

It can be easy. Most of the het. crests show some kind of hint they have it. Most chicks have a funny sort of head at hatch. Most feathered out birds will have at least a few feathers that stick out a little, making the top of head not perfectly smooth. Crest deforms the skull and that in turns deforms the comb, most often making the rear of comb veer off to the side or the front of comb has kind of a squished/pushed forwards look. A lot of crested cream legbars have those issues so they are a great breed to check out for clues. This rooster has crest, you can see the back part of comb has curved off to the right of him and not too easy to see in this pic, there are a couple feathers that stick out ever so slightly. This is the reason I also mention the combs.. crests usually are smaller and more slicked down on roosters than on hens. Picking normal and straight combs should be effective in breeding out crest.

So they are dominant like NaNa? No hidden genes like with feathered legs?

 

[Kassaundra]

Fibromelanosis?
Black skin meat and bones. Weird to see, but supposed to be good for you, much higher in amino acids. Chinese cure for a lot of ailments, I hear more for women though LOL!

Silkies, cemanis and svart honas have it, a few others but not in the US.
What does the black meat taste like? Chicken.... Lol!

Yes like chicken, except it is a little sweeter. If you highly season your meat you won't notice the flavor difference. But if you eat it on the plainer side there is a distinct difference

 

[Kassaundra]

I am w/ you guys on the feathered legs, not a fan, but I do like some bling on the head!

Mine were so many generations removed from the silkie blood I haven't had any real problems w/ the leg feathering, I will occasionally get some chick stubble, but never got even a feather in the adults. The fm breeds mentioned are the only ones I'm aware of in the U.S.

 

[I Love Layers]

The last picture i posted, does anyone know what color the chicks are?

 

[Kassaundra]

The last picture i posted, does anyone know what color the chicks are?

Chick down potential feather color isn't my strong suit, but I think your light chicks will be some form of red. The black / white chick penguin look could be mottled, but not likely if you got them from a hatchery.

 

[Kassaundra]

Glad Kev mentioned the green thing. If your chickens have yellow skin the fm will look green, especially as chicks. I love fm, but even I don't like the green, thankfully most out grow it like kev said. I am not fond of yellow anyway so even w/o the fm consideration would prefer white skin (shown in the legs). But yellow is standard for NN if that matters to you.