Naked Neck/Turken Thread

If you have 49 chickens moving around, who's going to count them to see if there are a 10 or 15 extra? If you had the limit of 6 like many American towns, an over-flow would be obvious.
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My sad problem. I still have.........................................more than I should. Trying not to be tooo..obvious!
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Some are babies after all.
 
Okay...my turn! Yesterday was weights and photo day for my last NN hatch, and I continue to be thrilled with the results. I'll start with my favorite boys:

Tank - not the best photo, but he's still the biggest boy and continues to hold the size record for his age: 4.17 lbs @ 10 weeks


Frost - I worried originally at this "runt", but now he's quickly catching up to Tank in size, growth rate, and body shape: 3.76 lbs @ 10 weeks


And my two "surprise" cockerels who are suddenly putting on a lot of muscle.
Sylvester - I've never been a huge fan of black & white barred NNs, but I have to give this guy credit for both his beauty and his personality. 3.6 lbs @ 10 weeks


And Bucky - 3.52 lbs @ 10 weeks


All...very nice looking!
 
Looks like it's the day for arrivals! I just picked up the S&G NN chicks from the post office. They had a rough ride - left Idaho on Tuesday, and arrived at the post office this morning. There was Grogel in the box, and they were snug for warmth, but one didn't make the trip, and a few look a bit rough (and I wonder if they will survive). Others look mostly ok, but all were chilled. I was in such a rush to get each one a sip of water and then into the warmth under the MHP, I didn't even count them (there were supposed to be 25, seemed about right). They are now quietly warming up, and the occasional strong one is popping out already for more water and some food. I also turned up the heat in the house they are in to help a bit.

I did notice a few things, though. No fully feathered ones, but also no homozygous NNs - ALL had the Nn phenotype (large bowtie). That, in combination with the fact that they look exactly like my Tank x GNH chicks did makes me think that perhaps the way they produce their fast growing broilers is to have them be hybrids (NN x something, such as a New Hampshire). Roughly half of them had dark marks on their heads. In my own Tank x GNH cross, three had dark marks on the head as chicks, and all three of those turned out to be pullets, so we'll see with these. Of course, these are from Dunlap, not S&G, but they bought the S&G breeding stock, and told me their NNs were only the S&G stock, so perhaps that's how S&G did it?

Here they are warming up (with a few trolling around for feed):



- Ant Farm

Link to sg NN page.. the roo looks NN, the hens seem to be Nn:

http://www.sandgpoultry.com/bird-nakedneck.php

A lot of broilers are colored like that. This color is good for clear yellow skin, what the american market demands on carcasses. So it is going to dominate and it does.. red ranger, freedom ranger(I had these and they looked exactly the same minus the naked necks and they most definitely were broiler types- massive birds), rainbows... It's mostly wheaten with Co, like Tank and GNH are.

But still, that is a good question. I really hope it is not regular NN over broiler stock of some kind. There are naked necked broiler breeder lines(Sasso has them.. French though.. not sure if they are over here yet?). They do sometimes market the NN broiler breeder lines as being 'compatible' for crossing with non NN broiler lines X, Y, Z.. think this would be allright as the offspring would still be broilers/broiler stock, just not pure NN. Perhaps they bred the NN with the red rangers- iirc, dunlap has these too? But also perhaps it is a straight line and you just lucked out on all Nns. I've noticed the chicks at feed store pretty much always have a very high percentage of Nn.. sometimes just 3 or 4 out of 20ish. I'll try to make counts on Nn vs NN next time..

Sasso NN broiler breeder.. there are others for different things like slow/intermediate/free range etc:

http://www.sasso.fr/sasso-t44ni-bes...red-rooster-for-backyard-organic-farming.html

How are they doing by the way?
 
Link to sg NN page.. the roo looks NN, the hens seem to be Nn:

http://www.sandgpoultry.com/bird-nakedneck.php

A lot of broilers are colored like that. This color is good for clear yellow skin, what the american market demands on carcasses. So it is going to dominate and it does.. red ranger, freedom ranger(I had these and they looked exactly the same minus the naked necks and they most definitely were broiler types- massive birds), rainbows... It's mostly wheaten with Co, like Tank and GNH are.

But still, that is a good question. I really hope it is not regular NN over broiler stock of some kind. There are naked necked broiler breeder lines(Sasso has them.. French though.. not sure if they are over here yet?). They do sometimes market the NN broiler breeder lines as being 'compatible' for crossing with non NN broiler lines X, Y, Z.. think this would be allright as the offspring would still be broilers/broiler stock, just not pure NN. Perhaps they bred the NN with the red rangers- iirc, dunlap has these too? But also perhaps it is a straight line and you just lucked out on all Nns. I've noticed the chicks at feed store pretty much always have a very high percentage of Nn.. sometimes just 3 or 4 out of 20ish. I'll try to make counts on Nn vs NN next time..

Sasso NN broiler breeder.. there are others for different things like slow/intermediate/free range etc:

http://www.sasso.fr/sasso-t44ni-bes...red-rooster-for-backyard-organic-farming.html

How are they doing by the way?
Well, all I can say is, make sure you ask for and pay for Express shipping. I'm sure this is my error for not being careful about looking at what I picked when ordering, but the chicks were sent Priority Mail, left the hatchery on Tuesday, and didn't arrive on Friday (as I think I've said). And there have been consequences - one died in transit, and several did not look good when being unloaded. I lost 2 more Saturday morning, and another 3 overnight Saturday night. Lost another one this afternoon (who was looking bad but I was trying to help drink). And now yet another is suddenly looking like his leg won't work well. I feel that I must have somehow cursed myself by bemoaning how many chicks I was raising at once (seriously, I DO actually know how to take care of chicks, for heaven's sake). Most have been weak and have had clean butts at death, and I've been checking for pasty butt all along, but one of the chicks who died last night did seem to have it - I suspect it developed and progressed that night and overnight, because I didn't see it before bed and there were shaving with the poop on his butt, like he hadn't been moving. It's been such a sad experience to keep finding dead chicks - poor little things.

The good news (if there is any) is that not counting the one with the leg issue, I have 17 left that are doing really well, running around, acting normal, eating A LOT. They do seem to be big, but I'm remembering that they hatched Tuesday. I spent some time grabbing a couple who had a little dried poop by their butts and doing the pasty butt treatment (rinse with warm water and blow dry). I'm not taking any chances. I'm about to go back over to change their water and I'm going to do another butt check.

I'm really tired of going to the brooder and finding little dead trampled chicks.
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