Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

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ahhh come on Tubbs! lol The good thing if you hatch eggs, it will be obvious which chicks are by Tucker by pea comb plus dominant white if Tubbs. But yeah no way of telling until they hatch...

addition to the mottle- breeding son back to mother will give half mottleds. and all the non mottleds will be definite carriers. you;re getting this genetics thing down.

 

[DesertChic]

Was she looking mottled in her first year too?

Yep! The photo I posted was from her first year. This is how she looked at just 4 months.

 

[DesertChic]

ahhh come on Tubbs! lol The good thing if you hatch eggs, it will be obvious which chicks are by Tucker by pea comb plus dominant white if Tubbs. But yeah no way of telling until they hatch...

addition to the mottle- breeding son back to mother will give half mottleds. and all the non mottleds will be definite carriers. you;re getting this genetics thing down.

I'm trying, but the colors still get the better of me much of the time.

One more question....Would it be better to breed her to a second NN rooster for genetic diversity among the offspring to further encourage the mottling while reducing the chances of inbreeding? I know it shouldn't be a problem breeding her back to her son, but I'm still unclear as to when it could become a problem. She's shown interest in my NN/Cochin rooster, Peta too, though right now he can't get to her since she's in a breeding cage with Zazzle.

 

[Kev]

I think time will tell - only one data point so far, and if they will catch up they have more to do. Big boy is indeed a brick. And all relatively calm (though they didn't want to be caught to be banded). Especially compared to the Aloha NNs - bless their little hearts, but every time I walk by the brooder, you'd think a shark went by.

That is annoying. the good news is.. it is not uncommon for freaky little youngsters to turn into mellow, friendly birds once they approach or start laying eggs. keep an eye on cockerels though.. if any of them challenges or shows aggressive behavior towards you.. mark it as a cull. If you;d like to breed for calmer birds, perhaps the way I pick out my breeders might work although I handle them at the very bare minimum, not sure if it would work as well to birds used to handling.


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Haha, she looks so angry, even has the super frowny in this pic.. She and the blue are so solid colored(are they?) I'd be tempted to think they are E especially as both parents show color.. the cockerels are showing color?

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ah so Goodwin definitely was not a pure lavender(as in E or ER). The first three definitely are pullets by feather color, not sure about blue one.. but if it were male I;d think it showed color on the wings by now?

Fun wait to see what colors they lay!

 

[Kev]

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Father/daughter mother/son breeding for several generations is very widely practiced and is called linebreeding in the hobby. Haven;t caught anything on how many generations most of them do this for before outcrossing... In theory.. it is possible to inbreed/linebreed for several generations, even many and still get good results but it does involve hard culling.

if you want or need genetic diversity.. can do things like your idea above- breeding her with a different rooster.. or breeding the offspring with unrelated bird then offspring from this back to a mottle etc..

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

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Haha, she looks so angry, even has the super frowny in this pic.. She and the blue are so solid colored(are they?) I'd be tempted to think they are E especially as both parents show color.. the cockerels are showing color?

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ah so Goodwin definitely was not a pure lavender(as in E or ER). The first three definitely are pullets by feather color, not sure about blue one.. but if it were male I;d think it showed color on the wings by now?

Fun wait to see what colors they lay!

The black Goodwin pullet is really sweet, I think the frown face is the angle plus beard.

The two cockerels are both black - one of them is already showing red markings along the wing area, though. (Is that what you meant?) The blue one at the bottom "smells" like a cockerel from his comb appearance, pretty sure the others are pullets. The feathering is even more pretty in person. They'll lay some sort of green I think, as momma has two generations of brown in her (welsummer and marans). I look forward to eventually hatching her babies by Monkey. OEs are a lot of fun!

- Ant Farm

 

[Kev]

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Haha, she looks so angry, even has the super frowny in this pic.. She and the blue are so solid colored(are they?) I'd be tempted to think they are E especially as both parents show color.. the cockerels are showing color?

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ah so Goodwin definitely was not a pure lavender(as in E or ER). The first three definitely are pullets by feather color, not sure about blue one.. but if it were male I;d think it showed color on the wings by now?

Fun wait to see what colors they lay!

The black Goodwin pullet is really sweet, I think the frown face is the angle plus beard.

The two cockerels are both black - one of them is already showing red markings along the wing area, though. (Is that what you meant?) The blue one at the bottom "smells" like a cockerel from his comb appearance, pretty sure the others are pullets. The feathering is even more pretty in person. They'll lay some sort of green I think, as momma has two generations of brown in her (welsummer and marans). I look forward to eventually hatching her babies by Monkey. OEs are a lot of fun!

- Ant Farm

Yea the red. It's easier to get solid hens but not so with roosters- very strong tendency to leak color in the pyle zones if at least one parent is not solid colored, even more so if both parents were not solid colored.. so the leakage coming on the wings is a very reliable sign of cockerel.

 

[Phill98]

@DesertChic I think that you should actually breed her with two roosters-but to keep it more minimal- I would still breed one of her sons to her along with pullets that you hatch from other rooster.

And I would choose a solid colored rooster B/B/S or white so you get more colour variety. Since she is pretty orange and if bred with other roosters that are orange you will get just buff birds with some blue or black on them like tail feathers.

I really got into this- maybe I can make some of my wishes and dreams in your yard without you even knowing it.

 

[chickengr]

Awesome! And thank you! I was hoping I was on the mark with this. She'll be two years old in June and has been laying like crazy for the past several weeks. I've had difficulties hatching her eggs in the past, but I think it's because she was never receptive to any of the roosters that mated (raped) her. But with Zazzle, she took one look at him and squatted right in front him. He didn't have to initiate a thing. I'm really hoping that's a good sign.

don't butcher zazzle. I don't think you will have such a charmer ever again

 

[Kev]

@DesertChic I think that you should actually breed her with two roosters-but to keep it more minimal- I would still breed one of her sons to her along with pullets that you hatch from other rooster.

keep in mind this will throw only 25% mottled. a real issue if only small batches are set. also not all of the non mottleds will be carriers from the cockerel-pullet cross. combine that with small numbers of chicks, a bit risky.

it is a good way to increase traits not related to mottling, productivity or size though, but still best with more than less samples to choose from.

also just realized the hen does not have the black bar by the mottle.. that might be unusual as it seems there is a tendency for the black bar to be present(mille fleur is an example of mottle with the black bar)