Necropsy results, is not coryza or CRD--parasites are rampant!!!

[dawg53]

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You forgot about worm oocysts in/on the soil and grass that chickens peck and eat. DE is useless as a wormer as the OP attested to with a necrosy report in her very first post in this thread. Did you miss it? If their feet touch the ground, chickens will get worms. One roundworm lays thousand of eggs which are deposited on your soil which your chickens pick up. Therefore you want to keep your chickens worm free as much as possible using chemical wormers, keeping them healthy. Worms weaken their immune system to the point of opening the door for bacterial and viral diseases, causing multiple problems. You are correct about using the same wormer all the time, it causes worm resistance. Rotating wormers eliminates worm resistance. One good example of a wormer that is useless against worms in chickens is ivermectin injectable. It still kills mites in chickens. It may work as a wormer in other livestock, but not in chickens. I agree that fecal samples should be tested. Here's pics of roundworms in a chickens intestine...remember, one roundworm lays thousands of eggs:

 

[southerndesert]

Wow that is one bad infestation....

They are indeed nasty little beasts.....

 

[mysweetgypsy]

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What vitamin deficiency symptoms are you seeing? I may be able to help you there.

I saw other threads about vit E deficiency, and a photo of a hen completely on it's haunches. (not sure if that term applies to chicekns) People thought it was a vit/min issue. My hen seemed to have similar symptoms. Started losing her balance, ended up on her haunches, dehydrated, weight loss, but no other symptoms. Her eyes, nose, all clear. The skin around her eyes was a little puffy, but no discharge. No cough, no mites, I can't even think of anything else. So I treated with Sulmet, wormed with Safeguard, added a Vit/Min supplement, and dosed her with 2ccs of E 2 days in a row. One of her buddies started acting funny, laying down, not flat out, more like she's in her nesting box, just out in the yard. She still chases bugs, eats pretty well, and runs for treats, she just falls over constantly. The other hen still has good balance. I'm at the end of my rope. My vet doesn't treat chickens. Any suggestions would be great!!

 

[seminolewind]

Thought I'd pass along some info, in horses, it's important to rotate wormers because one wormer does not kill every kind of worm, and prevents resistance. For example, Wazine only kills roundworms, nothing else. Ivermectin does not kill threadworms.

Most worming has to be done and then done again in 15 days to get the hatched eggs of worms, and before they start laying new eggs. In hot climates it's better to worm 3x a year if possible. DE does not kill internal worms. But may slow down reinfestation in the environment . DE is best for external bugs.

Hope this helps.

 

[ca]

Can you use valbazen without prior treatment with wazine?

 

[dawg53]

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Yes. I quit using wazine. Dose with valbazen, then redose with it 10 days later.

 

[flowerchild59]

I am so mad at the post office. I paid for priority shipping and it is not here, almost a week later. I just came home from work, not here again. I am callling or emailing first state. I want my stuff and I want the difference in regular postage and priority shipping refunded to me.

 

[ca]

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Yes. I quit using wazine. Dose with valbazen, then redose with it 10 days later.

Thanks, dawg53, for a valuable dose of experience!

 

[rcentner]

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I wonder.....I find that when I give a chicken oral liquid medications that not all of it gets down the hatch, I wear some of it. So....do you use something special? I have used a curved tip syringe in the past and that seems to work good, but that doesn't have a vaccuum to keep the liquid in the syringe so I have to be careful about the loaded syringe not dripping all over. I am not good at wrangling a chicken in one hand with a messy dripping syringe in another. any tips? I have also drawn up extra to account for the loss, but I hate feeling like I gave an inappropriate dose, especially when it is for a sick chicken who may pass if not properly medicated.

I also noted that someone earlier mentioned Ivermectin...do you inject it? give it orally? I read that that also can be put in the water, any thoughts on that?

I have been deworming twice yearly with Wazine and you have all made me a little weary of it's efficacy. I have the ability to run fecals at work and I need to bring a sample in to check.

Does the valbazen do anything for coccidia? I am about to search for the technical drug info on that drug. I have not heard of it before.

to the people that do not aggree with putting meds in th water....it's better than nothing. BUT if you have a dehydrated, ill chicken it will drink less and worsen the dehydration. I love meds in the water, but you must use caution with that. And if it's a rainy day and they are allowed to go outside you are wasting your time. The chickens will drink the droplets from the rain and not the medicated water. I think it has good efficacy though, just as good as oral dosing. just my opinion though

just to clarify...there are different scenarios for each case, deworming a flock vs a sick bird needing meds

 

[dawg53]

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I wonder.....I find that when I give a chicken oral liquid medications that not all of it gets down the hatch, I wear some of it. So....do you use something special? I have used a curved tip syringe in the past and that seems to work good, but that doesn't have a vaccuum to keep the liquid in the syringe so I have to be careful about the loaded syringe not dripping all over. I am not good at wrangling a chicken in one hand with a messy dripping syringe in another. any tips? I have also drawn up extra to account for the loss, but I hate feeling like I gave an inappropriate dose, especially when it is for a sick chicken who may pass if not properly medicated.

I also noted that someone earlier mentioned Ivermectin...do you inject it? give it orally? I read that that also can be put in the water, any thoughts on that?

I have been deworming twice yearly with Wazine and you have all made me a little weary of it's efficacy. I have the ability to run fecals at work and I need to bring a sample in to check.

Does the valbazen do anything for coccidia? I am about to search for the technical drug info on that drug. I have not heard of it before.

to the people that do not aggree with putting meds in th water....it's better than nothing. BUT if you have a dehydrated, ill chicken it will drink less and worsen the dehydration. I love meds in the water, but you must use caution with that. And if it's a rainy day and they are allowed to go outside you are wasting your time. The chickens will drink the droplets from the rain and not the medicated water. I think it has good efficacy though, just as good as oral dosing. just my opinion though

As you yourself mentioned about not giving an appropriate dose orally to a sick chicken, a sick chicken wont drink medicated water on its own as you seem to think by your last sentence. Have someone hold the chicken for you. Pull the wattles down, the chicken will open its mouth. Squirt the liquid in her mouth, she will drink it on her own. If it's a full syringe, squirt in a cc at a time.
Ivermectin injectable is useless in chickens, it'll still kill mites, but not worms in chickens. Ivermectin pour on will not kill tapeworms nor lice. Eprinex doesnt kill all worms neither.
Valbazen and cocci? Here's a link from a long time expert: Post #12.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1180647