Need advice/help/experiences,Pekin female cough/voice changes now

[kari1981]

Whats some good foods to try to get her to eat. She will only eat peas...Ive put water in the feed to make it soupy but she just barely dips her beak in. But will act like shes starving when i get the peas out.

 

[jtn42248]

Whats some good foods to try to get her to eat. She will only eat peas...Ive put water in the feed to make it soupy but she just barely dips her beak in. But will act like shes starving when i get the peas out.

You might try adding just a little electrolytes to the liquid in the peas to assure she stays hydrated. It will also help with any stress she might be having. Something like Sav-A-Chick should work.

 

[casportpony]

My vet finally gave in and prescribed her bayril. Her first dose was last night. Im praying bayril helps her. I also was given a antifungal med. Fulvicin. We been leaning more towards pnemonia to fungal infection over gapeworm. We tried qtip method but found nothung but then again i may not of went down far enough

Glad to hear you got some Baytril. Please follow your vets instructions and give it the way they instructed you to.

Regarding the q-tip method Gapes live in the trachea, not the esophagus, so sticking a q-tip in their mouth and down their throat will tell one nothing.

Pictures from:http://www.hopkinslivestock.com/oral_dosing_article.htm
The hole at the back of the tongue is the entrance to the trachea - Nothing should ever go in there!


This is how one should give liquid medication, and probably the area that you stuck the q-tip, right? No worms there.



Gapeworms








This link has pictures of diseased trachea with the different respiratory ailments that birds get:
http://www.poultrydisease.ir/Atlases/avian-atlas/search/lesion/425.html

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2653&Itemid=2942

Harm caused by Syngamus trachea, symptoms and diagnosis

Syngamus trachea can be very harmful, especially for young birds. They are usually not a problem in modern operations under confinement conditions. But they can be a serious problem in free-range poultry, particularly if the birds have access to humid environments with abundant intermediate hosts (earthworms, snails, etc.). These worms are often a problem in pheasant farms. In regions with a cold winter infections occur mainly during late spring and summer, along with the peaks in the populations of intermediate hosts.
A few worms are usually well tolerated, especially by adult birds, which usually develop natural resistance if previously exposed to the worms. But in heavy infections the worms cause inflammation of the wall of the trachea and an increased mucus production, sometimes mixed with blood leaking from the small injuries caused by the worms. Clinical signs include coughing, sneezing and respiratory disturbances. Initially the birds try to expel the worms vigorously shaking their heads. Later they repeatedly gape and breathe with a hissing sound. They refuse to drink, lose appetite and weight and become apathetic. Anemia can also occur. Deaths can happen, particularly in young birds.
Diagnosis can be confirmed in young birds through direct observation of the trachea against a strong light (after displacing the neck feathers and pulling the skin): adult worms can be seen inside the trachea. Characteristic eggs can also be detected in samples of the feces or of tracheal mucus.

 

[casportpony]

Whats some good foods to try to get her to eat. She will only eat peas...Ive put water in the feed to make it soupy but she just barely dips her beak in. But will act like shes starving when i get the peas out.

Have you tried scrambled eggs, meal worms or crickets?

-Kathy

 

[kari1981]

http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2653&Itemid=2942

Harm caused by Syngamus trachea, symptoms and diagnosis

Syngamus trachea can be very harmful, especially for young birds. They are usually not a problem in modern operations under confinement conditions. But they can be a serious problem in free-range poultry, particularly if the birds have access to humid environments with abundant intermediate hosts (earthworms, snails, etc.). These worms are often a problem in pheasant farms. In regions with a cold winter infections occur mainly during late spring and summer, along with the peaks in the populations of intermediate hosts.
A few worms are usually well tolerated, especially by adult birds, which usually develop natural resistance if previously exposed to the worms. But in heavy infections the worms cause inflammation of the wall of the trachea and an increased mucus production, sometimes mixed with blood leaking from the small injuries caused by the worms. Clinical signs include coughing, sneezing and respiratory disturbances. Initially the birds try to expel the worms vigorously shaking their heads. Later they repeatedly gape and breathe with a hissing sound. They refuse to drink, lose appetite and weight and become apathetic. Anemia can also occur. Deaths can happen, particularly in young birds.
Diagnosis can be confirmed in young birds through direct observation of the trachea against a strong light (after displacing the neck feathers and pulling the skin): adult worms can be seen inside the trachea. Characteristic eggs can also be detected in samples of the feces or of tracheal mucus.

Now with gapeworm, is this something that takes months to develop? Since shes been coughing 4-5 months now ? I just didnt know if its something that symptoms start over a long period of time or in short time? I cant seem to find any info on how fast the gapes can develop and start causing problems

 

[kari1981]

Have you tried scrambled eggs, meal worms or crickets?

-Kathy

she loves mealworms,i will be going to town to get some today
I plan on scrambling eggs today as well to try

 

[casportpony]

Keep in mind that today is Thursday and most vets close early on Saturdays and remain closed until Monday morning, so you might want to think about getting tube feeding supplies just in case you need them.

Supplies needed:

• 18 french or larger catheter style tube
• 35 ml or 60 ml catheter tip syringe
• Kaytee Exact Baby Bird Food

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Quote: I honestly don't know. I've only had one with gapes. What did the vet say about worming her just in case?

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

This person just went through something similar, though her's never really lost it's appetite. Her story starts 10-30-14 at post #9:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/846873/please-help-with-sick-peacock#post_14278710

Between then and December 13 she tried a low dose of Tylan like you did, Corid, Safeguard, a high dose of Tylan and then finally she tried some Baytril that I sent to her. Her chick has gained lots of wait and is now 100%.

-Kathy