Need help identifying this chick.

[Peafowlssssssss]

So here's what I'm thinking... if you can find someone with cameo silver pied birds and get a hen chick -- either a white hen, so you have two W genes, or even a cameo SP hen chick, you will pick up the WE variant gene (if that's what it is), which should increase the white in the offspring. And it makes more sense to me to bring in one more hen rather than, as you say, expand the pens for another male. And whatever you get from the present hen you have is what you get... but I tend to thing of these things as very long-term projects

If @AugeredIn tried to wade through all that stuff I wrote, it probably induced a coma, and will require emergency coffee

Of course, it's better to get a hen, i don't know if someone has cameo silver pied here, i know there is some people has cameo pied birds, if i can find a white cameo w/e hen it would great, but its harder than it sounds.

 

[AugeredIn]

So theoretically, the male bird would be thought to have one white gene paired with one pied gene (resulting in the pied appearance) and two WE genes, resulting in the white-eyed train. But you are right, he doesn't have lots and lots of white on him, despite the fact that he has two WE genes. So I am wondering (@AugeredIn , here's where I'm hoping you won't laugh) if it could be possible that he is missing either the W gene or the P gene? What if he has two pied genes plus two WE genes which are increasing the amount of white to more than we would normally see on a dark pied bird, but less than we would see on a W-P 2 WE bird?

I don't think this is outside the realm of possibility at all! A dark pied white eye bird could have more white.

 

[AugeredIn]

.....If she doesn't have a white gene, then just like with the male, if you can find a way to add white genes, it might increase the amount of white in the offspring. And if you can find a white from a silver pied breeding, you can perhaps increase the white a lot? (Thinking AugeredIn has fallen off his chair laughing by now...)

Anyway, that's just what I've been kicking around since I saw the photos. They are very lovely, btw... love your pens too!

Nope. Still in the chair and I think that you have a firm grasp on the possibilities. I still would state that I personally don't believe that silver pied comes from the white gene but I could not at this point disprove that there might be multiple types of white genes or that various combinations of we genes produce different patterns of white.

 

[Garden Peas]

Nope. Still in the chair and I think that you have a firm grasp on the possibilities. I still would state that I personally don't believe that silver pied comes from the white gene but I could not at this point disprove that there might be multiple types of white genes or that various combinations of we genes produce different patterns of white.

Everything I have read suggests that you are correct... I thought the benefit to using a white from a silver pied breeding would be twofold. First, by using a white, it would make clearer the genetic makeup of the non-white parent. Second, a white that was the product of a silver pied breeding would (I think) be carrying that variant WE gene, so the offspring would potentially have one variant WE gene (from the white bird from SP), and one regular WE gene (assuming that's what the non-white parent has).

I wasn't trying to suggest that silver pied came from white, so if it came across like that, I was probably foggy... and I apologize for not writing more clearly. Am much to foggy to think more about this tonight, but am so glad you didn't choke on your coffee, laughing, etc.

 

[Birdrain92]

I thought if you bred a Silver Pied to a Silver Pied one of the chicks would be white? If so that means that there is a white allele somewhere in their genes and close to the top.

 

[Garden Peas]

I thought if you bred a Silver Pied to a Silver Pied one of the chicks would be white? If so that means that there is a white allele somewhere in their genes and close to the top.

Well, if silver pied is a result of genes thusly: W/P:WEsp/WEsp, as AuguredIn wisely suggests, then yes, statistically 1/4 of the offspring would have two white genes and be visually white. But they will also be carrying two WE genes each, at least that seems likely, and if they are a variant WE gene (which some folks think they must be), then the white offspring would be carrying those variant WE genes hidden, and would pass them along to the next generation. That could explain why whites out of silver pied breedings are "special."

So the silver pied doesn't come from white, but if this is how the genetics work, then having a white gene is also necessary. But some folks have debated whether the white gene itself is different in a silver pied. It seems to me, though I am hardly in a position to take an opinion, that it is more likely to be something in the WE gene that is variant, rather than the white gene. The reasoning for that is beyond my ability to write about this evening. Maybe later

 

[AugeredIn]

Whites out of silver pied are special. And there are some people that say they create the best looking pied birds as well as being able to produce silver pieds.

 

[Garden Peas]

Whites out of silver pied are special. And there are some people that say they create the best looking pied birds as well as being able to produce silver pieds.

See? Othman, that's what I was trying to say... But AuguredIn said it much better

So if you could find one of those?

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

See? Othman, that's what I was trying to say... But AuguredIn said it much better

So if you could find one of those?

I found a breeder that has cameo silver pied female, let see if he has some for sale, but he is out of the country right now.

 

[AugeredIn]

If you need cameo silver pied hens, I have two available. Don't know if you were doing a Josh order or not though.