Need help to Socialize new scared/timied puppies.

[Teresaann24]

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Thanks for the advice this will be helpful. I even have the kids in on not touching them but letting them come to them for treats. Last night we left one in his crate and took the other one out by its self and it was more open and wanted to sit in our laps. After about and hour we put the other up and took the other one out and and she was also very open and wanted to play we played tug of war with her new chew toy. IT was GREAT! I am going to buy harnesses today for them to learn them to walk on a leash and take them up and down the road introducing them to neighbors and dog friends!

ALSO Anyone have any advice on names??? Would be great!

ETA: Forgot to mention that one of the pups seems food aggresive towards not people but the other puppy. I know I can solve the problem by feeding them seperate but will it turn into people aggresive too?

 

[duckluck]

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One of my family members got a puppy, a yellow lab, that had not been socialized early as she should have been and she was timid and fearful all her life, sad to say. Even with a lot of love and attention.

 

[xchairity_casex]

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One of my family members got a puppy, a yellow lab, that had not been socialized early as she should have been and she was timid and fearful all her life, sad to say. Even with a lot of love and attention.

well sometimes we can in fact encourage the behavior by babying them when they show signs of being fearful becuase we think about what would make us feel better and we would feel better by someone being soft and gentle and telling us "its ok" encouraging us dogs are not people other dos will not encourage another dog like that they will not baby another dog who is fearful though they may protect and keep other dogs away (mothers with puppies) they will not shower the fearful on with affection. and it isnt becuase a dog is thinking "they need to deal with this on there own" a dog is thinking "all that unstable energy is dangerous" of which it is when a dog is fearful,nervous,shy ect they are unstable and otherdogs recignize that dealing with a dog who is unstable could cuase them to lash out so they avoid the unstableness.
i think its great that the pups are becoming more outgoing seperated! they are learning how to cope on there own which is a good thing keep up seperating them on outings and putting them toether when you invite people over they dont always have to be kept seperated but the more things they experience alone the better able they are to cope together.

 

[Teresaann24]

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One of my family members got a puppy, a yellow lab, that had not been socialized early as she should have been and she was timid and fearful all her life, sad to say. Even with a lot of love and attention.

well sometimes we can in fact encourage the behavior by babying them when they show signs of being fearful becuase we think about what would make us feel better and we would feel better by someone being soft and gentle and telling us "its ok" encouraging us dogs are not people other dos will not encourage another dog like that they will not baby another dog who is fearful though they may protect and keep other dogs away (mothers with puppies) they will not shower the fearful on with affection. and it isnt becuase a dog is thinking "they need to deal with this on there own" a dog is thinking "all that unstable energy is dangerous" of which it is when a dog is fearful,nervous,shy ect they are unstable and otherdogs recignize that dealing with a dog who is unstable could cuase them to lash out so they avoid the unstableness.
i think its great that the pups are becoming more outgoing seperated! they are learning how to cope on there own which is a good thing keep up seperating them on outings and putting them toether when you invite people over they dont always have to be kept seperated but the more things they experience alone the better able they are to cope together.

We are keeping them together in their crate to keep them from crying so much but we have taken them out for walks apart from each other and have been playing with them apart from each other.

 

[crtrlovr]

sounds like you're well on your way to having some happy, confident, well-adjusted beagles! Keep up the good work.

 

[SourRoses]

Quite right casex!
Good job Teresa

! But.. please tell me they have something more comfy in their crate now than straw? That was just from the seller guy, I assume.

A little bit of sleepy time together is a good thing too.. but if you'd like to seperate them more often and just dont like the crying, you can try many kind of chewies... or a Kong from the petstore and stuff it full of peanutbutter or something else yummy.. good distraction! If I were you, I would rotate them every night, and have one sleeping in your bed with you. That way they get a chance to cuddle and feel warm, and its coming from you and not the other puppy. That is unless you do have another family member in the house that would take the other puppy to bed with them.
At one point we had 4 jack russells, I had 1 sleeping with me, and mom had 3 sleeping with her. They were still all part of the same pack, but my dog seemed to consider that her and I were a mini pack within the pack, and as a result she was much closer with me than the other 3 were with my mom.

 

[Teresaann24]

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Oh yes that was the breeder...I hate the smell of straw. They have had good baths and have dog beds in their crate.

We did have a set back and am on my way out to buy a new crate to part them. This morning the pups attacked each other for no reason!

They were standing up on the side of their crates waiting for me to bring food and water and one of them reaches over and playful nips the other on the cheek as I have seen them do before. The next thing I know they are fighting like Big dogs to the death. I yelled out at them and they didn't stop I had to open the cage and reach in and pull them apart they still didn't want to let go. One puppies ear is bleeding and the other has a nip on the chest. As soon as I got them apart its like they knew what they did was wrong their heads went down. I told them bad dogs bad dogs! I have cleaned them up and now one is in the washroom with a baby gate up and the other in the crate.

I was lost for words for why they did this....

 

[SourRoses]

Aww.. Im sorry.... and I didn't see this until now either. I am not an experienced dog trainer, nor have I ever met a beagle... so I know nothing of their temperaments.. though I kinda figured they were somewhat laid back

. But if you look at my avatar you can see how much my Jack, Eli, looks like your beagles, and Jacks do have a fair bit of Beagle in them. But with Jack russells, and I always figured it as much more a terrier thing, there is quite a bit of same-sex aggression, and sibling aggression. We had little trouble when we got our second, an unrelated male pup, and introduced him to Rosie when she was 2 yrs (10 yrs ago).. except they did fight over food, but Rosie had no problem teaching him who was boss and that never got out of hand. But later, we kept two of her daughters, from different litters, that we fell in love with, and with 3 girl jacks in the same house we did have some issues. Jack russells fight something like wolves LOL... lots of vicious noise and they refuse to release their grip on each other, its nearly impossible to seperate them. We tried many suggestions, air horns, water, ect. But the only thing that worked for us was for one of us to get behind each dog, grab them by their throat, and squeeze until they couldnt breathe.. then wait for them to give up and let go.. then seperate everyone for a good long while. Fights in our house were caused by food, the "my person" mentality, toys, and "thats my butt, dont you sniff it".. in that order LOL. Over time as we stepped up our prevention measures, the frequency of fights lessened considerably, but never completely stopped. We also had a family that insisted on buying 2 puppies (registered) brother and sister from the same litter, though we advised them against it, and they kept in contact with us. When the pups got to about 5 months, they started fighting a lot, and they had to bring in a trainer to help them work out preventative measures & establishing the people purely as dominant.

But back to you... for now, just feed them seperately, as thats what they were fighting over. It is a great sign that they backed off when you told them and looked ashamed! With dogs that dont draw blood when they fight, I have always heard it best to let them work it out themselves...though they did hurt eachother... so hopefully Jamie or another dog trainer will come give you some advice on preventing fights, that is aimed more towards beagles. But I would say, try to keep those crates right next each other, and perhaps some supervised no-food and no-toy time together (only if you feel up to it) so that they do not come to feel alienated from each other. And I hope I didn't scare you either, like I said, Beagles aren't Jack russells, so I would think sorting things out in your house would be easy compared to ours

Ps- I actually meant this to be reassuring...

 

[xchairity_casex]

they are fine sleeping together you dont always have to keep them seperated they are fine to be taken places together too. i wouldnt however suggest them sleeping with you even one at a time. dgs claim space,toys,people beds ect so when you allow a dog up on furniture such as beds early on your allowing them to to "own" that space. as a rule i never allow puppies up on furniture untill they know who is boss and who owns the house.actually it would be very good for you to start obedience training just some easy mild stuff like sit and lie down do it gently and softly many people think dogs dont like obedience work at to a dog its jsut that-work! but really its not shy dog especielly can benefit from obedience work considering its done right and not harshly. take some treats,get puppies attention just let them sniff the treat and hold it above there heads untill there but hits the floor theres really no need to push there bums down i have found puppies learn a skill quicker when they are left to do it themselves although first off it takes a few more minutes for them to actually do it then when you put them in the sit physically but they get it in less repatitions. also theres really no sense in asking them to sit repetedly upon the first 3 or 4 tries since they have no idea what the word means you can frustrate them or make them nervous by continually asking them to do somthing. so after 4 times of actually having there bums touch the ground on try 5 as soon as the bum touches the ground softly say "sit" then reward dont say sit before they do it they still dont know what it means not yet not untill you can see them knowing what is expected of them youll know when you call them over and they automatically sit then you can call them over say sit wait for them to do it then reward. obedience is good for shy dogs becuase your giving them self confedence in themselves and your showing them a way of comunicating with you which makes them trust you more becuase they will think to themselevs "alright i know she wants me to do this behavior and this behavior in this situation" your giving them clear instructions on how to please you and that makes them feel safer puppies whole world revolves about learning what is expected of them becuase if they dont know they could be harmed by other dogs so they have to learn early on how to comunicate. all you need to knwo about training atthis point is try not to do too much "hands on" work with them like dont put them into the position you want them in like alot of trainers do this is fine for outgoing puppies but not fo shyer ones. so if you wantthem to lie down put the treat down on the floor untill they lie down to get it out of your hand, if you want tot each them to shake dont grab the paw just holding your palm flat use it to lift under the paw gently so the paw is basically resting on your hand. teaching them to give you eye contact is also a great one especielly if they are fearful of this. carry treats around and get there attention with a treat sit down low once they come oevr to you and you have there attnetion hold the treat up to your eye when they look at your face and give eye contact say somthing like "yes" and reward. this teaches them to not be so timid by eye contact. thru out the day whenever they give you direct eye contact give a signal like "yes" or "good" and reward.

 

[SLWyandotte]

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Oh yes that was the breeder...I hate the smell of straw. They have had good baths and have dog beds in their crate.

We did have a set back and am on my way out to buy a new crate to part them. This morning the pups attacked each other for no reason!

They were standing up on the side of their crates waiting for me to bring food and water and one of them reaches over and playful nips the other on the cheek as I have seen them do before. The next thing I know they are fighting like Big dogs to the death. I yelled out at them and they didn't stop I had to open the cage and reach in and pull them apart they still didn't want to let go. One puppies ear is bleeding and the other has a nip on the chest. As soon as I got them apart its like they knew what they did was wrong their heads went down. I told them bad dogs bad dogs! I have cleaned them up and now one is in the washroom with a baby gate up and the other in the crate.

I was lost for words for why they did this....

i used to have a pack (12) of english fox hounds. their social order works the same. a pack of hounds is like a pack of wolves or a flock of chickens. there is a social order. sometimes something tips that order or a dominate decides a lower pack member needs a reminder. they will fight, one will win one will lose and life goes on. they will not kill or seriously injure each other. only time you have to worry about that is when a jip is in heat and the dominate male gets challenged for breeding rights or introducing new members to a established pack. hounds are very social and family oriented. the pups need lots of attention but you also need to be firm with them. a good start is to every now and then randomly just push one over on it's back and grab it by the throat and give a gentle squeeze. not enough to choke it, but enough that it thinks you could. hold them like that till they get still, then release them and play with them for a few minutes. in doggie it says "i'm bigger and badder than you, i'm top dog, just thought you needed to be reminded of that but we are ok. i'm not mad at you." it solves a lot of problems before they start. it sounds strange but doing this could actually make the pups like you more. since the pack is a family, you mess with one you mess with all. to them once you become a member it is the responsibility of the strong to defend the weaker members. it makes them feel safer now that mommy is gone. this has worked for me in the past.

for play get a fuzzy toy and a string. drag it across the floor and they should start to chase it. it's what they were bred to do. when they catch it, if they catch it they may just bay at it which is hilarious, ann way if they catch it, play tug a war. the more you play with them the less scared they will be.