Nevadans?

thanks guys. i guess ill pass on the straw, hey. ive already got sand in half the run and dirt in the other, and i really regret doing the sand because they really seem to hate it and prefer to spend their time in the good ol dirt.
 
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Yes they love to dust in fine dirt but the sand will be nice when it's wet.
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I like DG because it drains even better than sand and gives them grit to eat. I use what ever I have around though (except straw, at least outside).
 
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It really all depends on how much you are out in your yard. I use hay in my nests, run (and when I have one the coop). I do not really like using straw as it tends to slime up when wet and it molds quickly when it gets wet. But for some reason I have never had the same problem with hay. Even when it gets wet it dries pretty quickly. Of course I go out every morning to spend time with the girls and clean up their nests and run. I like the hay because it is really easy to pick up poop and when you fluffy up the left over hay it gets rid of any odor. I use a regular garden rake, pick up all of the poop I can find with the rake and shake it off in a bucket then the hay that is left on the rake goes back in the run.

After everything is cleaned up I just rake up all of the hay in little piles and leave it for the girls to redistribute it. They love it because all of the grass seed that is in the hay actually starts germinating in the run and when you rake up the hay like I do, the chickens get to eat fresh grass sprouts and bath themselves in the hay piles at the same time. They love it and so do I. They also eat the hay which gives them good roughage too.

My run always stays dry and smelling of hay, it's easy to clean up and when it gets to a point where it will not fluff up anymore I remove it and put it in my worm beds for my worms to compost down and then I use it in my gardens. Nothing goes to waste. Anything that I cannot scoop up for the worms gets composted into the soil of the run and makes that soil super nice. If you are into moving your run, once you have a good bit of mulch and poop built up in that area, you can just move the chickens to your new spot and grow some fantastic gardens in that soil. We used to do that when I lived in Maine. We never used straw, it was more expensive than regular hay and like others have mentioned it is such a mess to deal with once it gets wet.

Although, I just found that article about using River Sand and I am seriously considering trying that out in my coop once we get it finished. It sounds like a really amazing hygienic way to keep your coop clean. There really is no reason to do it out in the run for us though. We have enough sand in our yard already. I have been working for the last 7 years to get rid of the sandy/clayish soil so I can grow something in it besides hogweed and sagebrush *LOL*, adding to the already sandy soil out there is not what I am looking for.

I was wondering if anyone else is using that method in their coop here in NV. If you do could you tell me how it does in the summer time with the heat. I am totally thinking of taking Ron's clear roof idea for the coop and I was wondering if I use the River Sand in there will it make it like molten lava to walk in for the chickens? I know during the summer time in my yard the sand heats up so much that just thinking about putting a toe in the yard without shoes is like walking on hot coals. I understand that in the winter time the sand can get pretty cold but if you sprinkle some hay on top it helps with that problem... but would I have to do something like that in the summer too?

It is such a dreamy idea, especially with my worm farm. Being able to give them just the poop instead of it mixed with the hay makes their composting go much quicker. I am pretty obsessed with everything being clean and this sounds like it would make the cleaning process so much easier and efficient. And let's not forget how cheap it is compared to hay or shavings, etc.

I know a ton of questions and another novel post to go through but you all are so helpful when it comes to stuff like this, I really appreciate any and all help you all give.
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Thank you for the compliment on the coop. We are having a lot of fun designing this thing and you all are so welcoming and full of ideas that I cannot help but share our progress just to get new ideas from you.

My Dad and his Dad and all of his brothers are Master Carpenters, Mechanics, Electricians, own construction businesses, my Dad's older brother is a world famous rifle maker, and growing up I always was Daddy's little helper. So yeah reinventing the wheel into something more efficient, "solid" and fun at the same time is definitely in the genes for sure. I do not have any school training but I have been around a lot of experienced ppl growing up. When I was a kid one of the many careers I dreamed about was being an Architect. Back in the day, women were not readily accepted in the engineering and construction fields and I always wanted to grow up and work with my Dad so I figured if I could become an architect then I could do the design and he could actually build them. It was the best compromise a 9 year old girl could come up with at the time. hehe My Dad also owned his own welding business for 20 years, working mostly in the shipyards on big oil tankers, he worked for the navy off and on through various contracts and then when we moved to Maine after his logging business died out from the mills closing down he went back to welding on the trucks and equipment up there, so as you must know, there is a lot of engineering that goes into that as well. He was always the type that would not settle for bandaid solutions. If he designs something and builds it, whatever it is could have a meteor hit it straight on and it is not going anywhere. *LOL*

My husband's father was in construction as well and his grandparents owned and operated a boat design, building and repair business and he helped out with them every summer. So the love of designing and building things is definitely in our blood. And yeah I am a big counter and problem solver. I always thought I was just a little wacky though, I never considered it having to do with my left side of the brain dominance.
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Ok so I guess I'll shut it for now, I have already rambled on way past anything remotely reasonable...
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I saw this article tonight and I had to share it with you all... the whole time I was reading it I was thinking, "Pot, Kettle, Black"
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I guess it is only ok for them to flood another country's market with a product cheaper than the locals can produce and sell it within their own country.
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US Chicken Industry to Appeal China's New Tariffs
Monday, September 27, 2010


The Associated Press reports, a group representing the nation's chicken exporters said U.S. producers did not sell their products at unfairly low prices in China and plans to appeal new tariffs imposed by China.

The Chinese government said that its investigation found that U.S. chicken products are being sold at low prices, which undermine the local market. New import duties ranging from 50.3 percent to as much as 105.4 percent will take effect today and last for five years.

The USA Poultry & Egg Export Council said in a news release that the yearlong investigation, which culminated in the tariffs, was in retaliation for another trade dispute with the U.S. China was the largest importer of U.S. chicken in 2009 at $752.5 million but has been embroiled for months over duties imposed on U.S. chicken producers. The Chinese government said the new duties will replace ones imposed in February after preliminary results of the probe showed U.S. chicken was being sold at low prices -- a process called "dumping."
 
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Sunny, Embrace the Gift! It is among that which makes you unique.....and, hopefully, keeps your checkbook orderly! My mother, for the life of her, cannot get the numbers thing (she used to be a school teacher!) and exercises "new math" when it comes to balancing her checkbook, ergo I'm forever doing monthly maintenance/upkeep on her finances. I've always enjoyed math... Numbers, bless them, don't lie! I bet you're fairly organized, too; right? Are you the one they come to when they cannot find something?

As a kid when other girls were involved with Barbies or Breyer horse models I had -- I cannot remember the name now -- little motorized cars that came with oodles of grey road sections and you could design roadways, race courses, etc. I would spend hours configuring the stuff all over the house. Why I never ended up in CalTrans I don't know. Instead I opted for veterinary school, but realized it wasn't for me and so after some introspection switched over to a law-related field. I am a court reporter, one of those people with the little disco typewriters who takes down legal proceedings and produces transcripts. Of course, I didn't let the vet stuff go to waste and had a great run with a stud farm, pygmy goat midwifery and hobby ranch....hence all the references to raising veggies and poultry projects.

If you haven't seen the movie yet, by all means rent "Temple Grandin." It was an HBO special and swept the Emmy Awards. I thought it was wonderful, especially with the thought processes. It gave a lot of insight to many things, but especially to application and utility.
 
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Loved that movie! I came upon it by complete accident one afternoon searching through On-Demand movies. It really is a shame that more movies like this are not hyped and made popular anymore. Anyway, I really liked it and the amazing thought process she used for both applications.
 
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It really all depends on how much you are out in your yard. I use hay in my nests, run (and when I have one the coop). I do not really like using straw as it tends to slime up when wet and it molds quickly when it gets wet. But for some reason I have never had the same problem with hay. Even when it gets wet it dries pretty quickly. Of course I go out every morning to spend time with the girls and clean up their nests and run. I like the hay because it is really easy to pick up poop and when you fluffy up the left over hay it gets rid of any odor. I use a regular garden rake, pick up all of the poop I can find with the rake and shake it off in a bucket then the hay that is left on the rake goes back in the run.

After everything is cleaned up I just rake up all of the hay in little piles and leave it for the girls to redistribute it. They love it because all of the grass seed that is in the hay actually starts germinating in the run and when you rake up the hay like I do, the chickens get to eat fresh grass sprouts and bath themselves in the hay piles at the same time. They love it and so do I. They also eat the hay which gives them good roughage too.

My run always stays dry and smelling of hay, it's easy to clean up and when it gets to a point where it will not fluff up anymore I remove it and put it in my worm beds for my worms to compost down and then I use it in my gardens. Nothing goes to waste. Anything that I cannot scoop up for the worms gets composted into the soil of the run and makes that soil super nice. If you are into moving your run, once you have a good bit of mulch and poop built up in that area, you can just move the chickens to your new spot and grow some fantastic gardens in that soil. We used to do that when I lived in Maine. We never used straw, it was more expensive than regular hay and like others have mentioned it is such a mess to deal with once it gets wet.

Although, I just found that article about using River Sand and I am seriously considering trying that out in my coop once we get it finished. It sounds like a really amazing hygienic way to keep your coop clean. There really is no reason to do it out in the run for us though. We have enough sand in our yard already. I have been working for the last 7 years to get rid of the sandy/clayish soil so I can grow something in it besides hogweed and sagebrush *LOL*, adding to the already sandy soil out there is not what I am looking for.

I was wondering if anyone else is using that method in their coop here in NV. If you do could you tell me how it does in the summer time with the heat. I am totally thinking of taking Ron's clear roof idea for the coop and I was wondering if I use the River Sand in there will it make it like molten lava to walk in for the chickens? I know during the summer time in my yard the sand heats up so much that just thinking about putting a toe in the yard without shoes is like walking on hot coals. I understand that in the winter time the sand can get pretty cold but if you sprinkle some hay on top it helps with that problem... but would I have to do something like that in the summer too?

It is such a dreamy idea, especially with my worm farm. Being able to give them just the poop instead of it mixed with the hay makes their composting go much quicker. I am pretty obsessed with everything being clean and this sounds like it would make the cleaning process so much easier and efficient. And let's not forget how cheap it is compared to hay or shavings, etc.

I know a ton of questions and another novel post to go through but you all are so helpful when it comes to stuff like this, I really appreciate any and all help you all give.
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Thank you for the compliment on the coop. We are having a lot of fun designing this thing and you all are so welcoming and full of ideas that I cannot help but share our progress just to get new ideas from you.

My Dad and his Dad and all of his brothers are Master Carpenters, Mechanics, Electricians, own construction businesses, my Dad's older brother is a world famous rifle maker, and growing up I always was Daddy's little helper. So yeah reinventing the wheel into something more efficient, "solid" and fun at the same time is definitely in the genes for sure. I do not have any school training but I have been around a lot of experienced ppl growing up. When I was a kid one of the many careers I dreamed about was being an Architect. Back in the day, women were not readily accepted in the engineering and construction fields and I always wanted to grow up and work with my Dad so I figured if I could become an architect then I could do the design and he could actually build them. It was the best compromise a 9 year old girl could come up with at the time. hehe My Dad also owned his own welding business for 20 years, working mostly in the shipyards on big oil tankers, he worked for the navy off and on through various contracts and then when we moved to Maine after his logging business died out from the mills closing down he went back to welding on the trucks and equipment up there, so as you must know, there is a lot of engineering that goes into that as well. He was always the type that would not settle for bandaid solutions. If he designs something and builds it, whatever it is could have a meteor hit it straight on and it is not going anywhere. *LOL*

My husband's father was in construction as well and his grandparents owned and operated a boat design, building and repair business and he helped out with them every summer. So the love of designing and building things is definitely in our blood. And yeah I am a big counter and problem solver. I always thought I was just a little wacky though, I never considered it having to do with my left side of the brain dominance.
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Ok so I guess I'll shut it for now, I have already rambled on way past anything remotely reasonable...
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wow thanks! i didnt know there was a difference! i just wish someone in RENO would sell some gosh darn hay >
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We just lost our first chicken today. Not too happy of course. My daughter called to let me know that it was covered with ants and as she said " oh it's dead, it's totally dead. Do you need me to bury it ? " She wants to be a vet so I am surprised that she did not ask to autopsy it too.
We put it in another pen away from the other chickens yesterday because it was looking pretty ill, foamy eyes and wanted to just hide away from the other chickens. Hopefully this is the only one that it will happen to but I have heard of others losing entire flocks ( eek )


I'm also hoping to hatch some eggs either tomorrow or Saturday. Totally excited about this !


Reading back about the straw comments, so straw is not a good idea ? My son took almost a whole bale of hay and tossed it in the run. I had him clear out a bunch of it but I can imagine that the clean up when its wet is a mess.

Does anyone in the Vegas area know who sells bulk DE for the chickens ? Jones is selling a 1 lb bag for like 13 but that is just outrageous.
 
Well I use hay in my run during the winter
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Once it snows and I have shoveled their pathways - I spread hay (usually alfalfa cause its what I have for the horses) in the paths and on top of snow piles for the birds are out n about.






Sunny - glad to see you back
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Sparksnv - Anything? Have three laying from that coop group. Course they are not laying in the nest boxes - silly twitty girls - they have picked our rickety, two step backstairs to set under. It is all Ham Bones fault (Ham is a SL Codhin bantam cockerel) - I caught him under there two weeks ago making soothing, gentle sounds - stating what a good spot for a nest it was. Once I pulled him out from under there, I saw that he had a pullet under there with him!
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