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[HeatherLynn]

I think the point was the changes. At one time maybe sellers and buyers were more considerate of each other. I think what she is saying is that at one time she saw so many more go over and above what was required just because they were trying to be helpful. That is without a doubt more rare now. It is not extinct, its just rare. I don't buy eggs really, or I have not yet so this is no slam on anyone who does. I think she was just making a point of mentioning something she noticed. Also just because someone does not sell on this forum does not mean they never sold or do not sell elsewhere.

If you broaden the statement I think we can see that people in every circumstance are less helpful and less willing to go above and beyond. Again this is not everyone. Think percentages of the population, not individual person. I will admit I do not alway go above and beyond. I do sometimes but its not regular enough. I think we could all say that. If we look at just our fellow BYC'rs we could say we could always do a bit more for each other. That could be kind words, advice, encouragement, information, selling, buying...... you see where I am going. I think it was just a sharing of something they have noticed. Not a personal attack.

 

[joebryant]

Ah, yes, the golden age of when all people were kind, good, considerate, helpful, ...and everyone's children were all well disciplined.
Too bad that it was long before my birth.
ETA It must have been once though because everyone's always talking about it.

"Each evening from December to December,
As you slowly drift to sleep upon your cot,
Think back on all the tales that you remember,
of Camelot.

Ask each person if he's heard the story,
And tell it loud and clear if he has not,
That once there was a fleeting whisp of glory,
called Camelot.

Where once it never rained till after sundown,
By eight a.m. the morning fog had flown...
Don't let it be forgot
That once there was a spot
For one brief shining moment that was known
As Camelot."

 

[speckledhen]

Hmm, what to say about this? Honestly, I can't foot the shipping bill for another set of eggs and I don't think anyone would call me "cheap". What would you call a buyer who expects many extras, expects handholding throughout the process and then, when something happens and the eggs don't hatch well, either because of P.O.'s handling (well, hatching eggs were not meant to be mailed anyway and it's a miracle ANY hatch) or because the buyer had incubation issues, wants the seller to give them another set free? I'd call that buyer "cheap".

Now, I am considerate, just ask any of my customers--I send what is paid for. If the auction was for 6 eggs, I will send 6 and extras, if I have them at that time, to offset the P.O.'s handling-and I am happy to answer questions from time to time for the buyer if he/she is new at hatching, however, extras are just that, extra, not required. A buyer and seller agree to that one transaction and if the buyer pays and the seller is diligent with packaging and sends what was paid for when promised, why do you call that seller "cheap" if he does not offer a second set free? I have sent a second batch for shipping and once or twice, even a third batch, but if the buyer had demanded that or thought it standard practice, as if it was owed, I would not have done it. A buyer needs to accept the risk of having hatching eggs sent through the mail and the risk that something may go wrong during incubation after that. Why should the seller foot the bill or risk being called "cheap"?

The "right thing" is to complete the transaction by sending what was paid for on time and in proper packaging, period. Very few folks actually make any money on hatching eggs anyway and to expect more to be sent out when it could have been the buyer's fault they didn't hatch is ridiculous, frankly.

 

[Wynette]

Some of you have said you feel I have missed your point; I think YOU have missed MY point.

You say you think folks in general aren't as kind-hearted and giving...in so many words. I disagree. I have met some of the most giving, kind, thankful folks here on BYC. But then, I am most definitley a "glass half full" type of person. I guess if you're LOOKING for negative, you'll find it.

 

[hoppy]

in reply to citychicker
and I quote
" My whole point was that it seems like people do not go "above and beyond" nearly as much as they used to and I think that is sad and unfortunate. I was only saying that I missed the time when people used to do kind things for each other "just because". Of course, some people still do. A lot of people anymore though are entirely self-serving and wouldn't do a nice, unselfish thing for anyone even if their life depended on it. "

if it wasn't about the eggs, then why bring it that into this if it was just about people in general not going above and beyond.
I think for the most part, people here on BYC are wonderful and very supportive. in the outside world, do I give alot of myself, yes. do I give alot of myself to those that obviously won't appreciate my efforts, no.

 

[PineappleMama]

First thing that comes to my mind is the fact that nowadays you have to pay someone to stand behind their product... they don't just automatically stand behind it, nope you gotta pay for a warranty that requires them, law/contract, to stand by it... and then it's only the minimum they can get by with per the contract... and of course the warranty expires the day before something goes wrong... I highly doubt that's accidental... be it a toaster, computer, or a car... those warranties are for specific times and specific components for a reason IMO.

So.. yeah, I've thought on this too... not the egg angle as I've never had the opportunity to hatch my own but still...

 

[WoodlandWoman]

There have been all kinds of people treating others in all kinds of ways from the beginning of time. As long as there are people, there will still be all kinds of people treating others in all kinds of ways. Certain aspects of a particular society may change over time, but people mostly don't, as a species.

When it comes to people selling hatching eggs, I think it's the same as people selling eating eggs. There are people doing it as a hobby, people doing it as a business and people that mentor others. None of those make a person bad, selfish, wasteful, a better or a worse person. It just means they are living different lives, with different goals in their chicken keeping.

If you buy a horse from a neighbor and they mentor you on horses, that's great. It doesn't mean that every person that sells a horse should be mentoring the buyer or they're selfish scum. Lots of things are like that. Plus, sometimes people don't have the time to mentor or the extra money to sell something cheaper or add something extra. Sometimes, they just want to sell something.

It's great that so many people in particular hobbies mentor and do extra for people. There are still people doing that in chickens, too. There have been plenty of people in chickens that never did that. So much of this type of thing has to do with who you know locally or who you've interacted with lately. It can really color your perspective at times.

There are still nice people doing nice things for people where I live. We still have some stinkers, too.

 

[CityChicker]

Again, moderators, please lock this thread. Thank you.

 

[smileybritches]

hang in there citychicker. I totally understand where you are coming from.

 

[Funky Feathers]

I agree with Speckledhen and WoodlandWoman.