Hi Cynthia, sorry that I haven't been able to take the time to have a real dialog, but things are rough for me rt. now...I am very glad that there are no vulture hocks. I cull those birds the min I see one, fortunately I have not had any at all in several generations. The birds are looking good. as I told you I have a trio of Dark Brahmas that are very nice birds and once they started laying I an getting an egg a day per bird non stop. I realize its late in the season but i am setting up my R-com incubator and i will start another batch of Darks. it will mean some special care for the chicks that will be born at beginning of fall but will be a distraction which should be good. I hate to be eating eggs from such nice birds but after i put up this batch, thats what i will be doing.