new research debunks trad views on nutrition

[NatJ]

now it appears that a preference for the written word is common amongst those on this thread!

I'm another one. I notice that we are all reading this thread, not watching it as a video, so we might be a group that is already selected for "likes to learn by reading."

 

[Perris]

so how many of us actually listened to the (hour long!) podcast from the Prairie homestead to which Molpet kindly drew our attention? We're not talking about the content I note, only the format.

I too think it's partly a generational thing. My son assures me that a lot of young people one sees wearing headphones are listening to podcasts and not, as I had naively assumed, to music. The relaxed conversational style appeals to them much more than does a page of info-dense text, which loses their attention as natter loses mine and others of you here.

While struggling with this, I try to remember that Socrates much preferred the oral route to understanding, and refused to write his philosophy down. Plato recreated it explicitly in the form of *dialogues* to respect that choice, while still trying to preserve Socrates' wisdom for those of us who came later and never got the chance to talk with him IRL. I'm not sure it's an adequate substitute myself, but that's probably my biases talking

 

[RoyalChick]

so how many of us actually listened to the (hour long!) podcast from the Prairie homestead to which Molpet kindly drew our attention? We're not talking about the content I note, only the format.

I too think it's partly a generational thing. My son assures me that a lot of young people one sees wearing headphones are listening to podcasts and not, as I had naively assumed, to music. The relaxed conversational style appeals to them much more than does a page of info-dense text, which loses their attention as natter loses mine and others of you here.

While struggling with this, I try to remember that Socrates much preferred the oral route to understanding, and refused to write his philosophy down. Plato recreated it explicitly in the form of *dialogues* to respect that choice, while still trying to preserve Socrates' wisdom for those of us who came later and never got the chance to talk with him IRL. I'm not sure it's an adequate substitute myself, but that's probably my biases talking

With that encouragement I am going to try listening while making mushrooms soup. I don't have headphones so hopefully my phone's speakers will be up to the challenge. No time like the present and I have some lovely mushrooms waiting for me!

 

[Shadrach]

I used to get embroiled in this books and libraries versus Internet with memebers of my family, most of which were brought up with books. The problem I have with videos is most of them are not very good quality in my opinion. The presenters often can't present and babble on about stuff that has little or nothing to do with the topic, or can't explain the topic well, even with video assistance.

What I had hoped for with fast digital communication and data storage is education would spend less time filling our heads with facts, most can be looked up in seconds, and spen dthat saved time on teaching critical thinking. That doesn't seem to be happening. The old book fed generation are dismissive of students that can't spell, use proper grammar and remember countless formulae. The content gets downgraded relative to the correct format. Universities are particulalry bad at this. I've read some truely shocking papers on topics that hardly bear a paragraph let alone a thesis.
If these are presented to standard and aren't complete gibberish then generally it's a pass.

 

[Sally PB]

Has anyone seen anything about the gums in food - gar, carrageenan, etc ? Especially about their affect on gut health.

Looking for gluten free recipes, the topic of gums comes up a lot, especially xanthan gum. It helps give body to GF flours so that they mimic wheat flours. A lot (most?) "1-for-1" GF flours have it included; a lot of recipes say to add it if your flour does not have it included. Some of the GF sites specifically talk about gum-free recipes, as the poster is allergic/sensitive to them.

 

[Molpet]

so how many of us actually listened to the (hour long!) podcast from the Prairie homestead to which Molpet kindly drew our attention? We're not talking about the content I note, only the format.

I too think it's partly a generational thing. My son assures me that a lot of young people one sees wearing headphones are listening to podcasts and not, as I had naively assumed, to music. The relaxed conversational style appeals to them much more than does a page of info-dense text, which loses their attention as natter loses mine and others of you here.

While struggling with this, I try to remember that Socrates much preferred the oral route to understanding, and refused to write his philosophy down. Plato recreated it explicitly in the form of *dialogues* to respect that choice, while still trying to preserve Socrates' wisdom for those of us who came later and never got the chance to talk with him IRL. I'm not sure it's an adequate substitute myself, but that's probably my biases talking

I fully agree.
I only listen to it because I had nothing better I felt able to do.
And to be truthful I don't even remember what the topic content was. I do remember advertising that annoyed me and I wish I could skip.
I also remember better when I read it.

 

[NatJ]

so how many of us actually listened to the (hour long!) podcast from the Prairie homestead to which Molpet kindly drew our attention? We're not talking about the content I note, only the format.

Not me.

As a general thing, I access BYC from a desktop computer, with the speakers on mute, and my computer is set up to prevent anything playing unless I click a button to give it permission. I turn on the video and/or speaker for the few things that do require them (example: "Why is my chicken making this sound?")

I too think it's partly a generational thing. My son assures me that a lot of young people one sees wearing headphones are listening to podcasts and not, as I had naively assumed, to music. The relaxed conversational style appeals to them much more than does a page of info-dense text, which loses their attention as natter loses mine and others of you here.

It's not purely generational. I know some people a generation older than myself who like podcasts. Some of those same people like audio books too.

I think it is partly situational: some of them listen while driving in the car, or sit and do handicrafts while listening, or have other reasons that they can listen but cannot read at that time. I suspect it's similar to people listening to the radio.

I sometimes use a telephone with a headset to talk to friends while I do boring chores like washing dishes, if there's no-one handy to talk in person.

 

[RoyalChick]

I fully agree.
I only listen to it because I had nothing better I felt able to do.
And to be truthful I don't even remember what the topic content was. I do remember advertising that annoyed me and I wish I could skip.
I also remember better when I read it.

I listened to it on my PC which I brought into the kitchen so it could play while I made mushroom soup.

In good news the mushroom soup is excellent (a splash of Vermouth really makes it quite special and I used duck bone stock that I made a while back and froze so it is nice and rich).

The Physiologist/Biochemist in me rebelled at various points because she made many statements that are just wrong. To be fair, they were not anything that would undermine her main point, and some of that was likely to simplify it for the podcast, and some may have just been careless talk, but it did undermine her credibility for me.

As far as I could understand though, her main point could be boiled down to:
"Protein is good and animal protein best of all and we don't eat enough of it."

Given that thesis I was surprised that she made no mention of the negatives of some forms of animal protein. She spent a while on inflammation and never even mentioned the findings on inflammation and red meat. Also surprising was no mention of gut microbiome, and I was surprised that she didn't mention fat soluble vitamins as a plus for fat in the diet.

My main quibble though was her breezy assertions about satiety. I couldn't quite tell whether she was saying that protein triggers satiety or whether it was supposedly micronutrients that trigger satiety. Either way, satiety is a very complicated area and not well understood and certainly isn't as simple as she was saying.

I did of course love her assertion that cravings indicate that you need something in your diet, and that if I wanted to hit my animal protein intake I would have to eat 5 eggs at breakfast. She said it like eating 5 eggs was odd but I am up for that as soon as my ladies provide me that many eggs.

 

[Molpet]

I listened to it on my PC which I brought into the kitchen so it could play while I made mushroom soup.

In good news the mushroom soup is excellent (a splash of Vermouth really makes it quite special and I used duck bone stock that I made a while back and froze so it is nice and rich).

The Physiologist/Biochemist in me rebelled at various points because she made many statements that are just wrong. To be fair, they were not anything that would undermine her main point, and some of that was likely to simplify it for the podcast, and some may have just been careless talk, but it did undermine her credibility for me.

As far as I could understand though, her main point could be boiled down to:
"Protein is good and animal protein best of all and we don't eat enough of it."

Given that thesis I was surprised that she made no mention of the negatives of some forms of animal protein. She spent a while on inflammation and never even mentioned the findings on inflammation and red meat. Also surprising was no mention of gut microbiome, and I was surprised that she didn't mention fat soluble vitamins as a plus for fat in the diet.

My main quibble though was her breezy assertions about satiety. I couldn't quite tell whether she was saying that protein triggers satiety or whether it was supposedly micronutrients that trigger satiety. Either way, satiety is a very complicated area and not well understood and certainly isn't as simple as she was saying.

I did of course love her assertion that cravings indicate that you need something in your diet, and that if I wanted to hit my animal protein intake I would have to eat 5 eggs at breakfast. She said it like eating 5 eggs was odd but I am up for that as soon as my ladies provide me that many eggs.

Ah yes
I was thinking I could eat a whole lot of meat. I used to eat a whole rotisserie chicken in one sitting. I have eaten a DZ eggs. So much for satiety from meat

 

[Perris]

As a general thing, I access BYC from a desktop computer, with the speakers on mute, and my computer is set up to prevent anything playing unless I click a button to give it permission. I turn on the video and/or speaker for the few things that do require them (example: "Why is my chicken making this sound?")

ditto. I still remember when autoplay first appeared, and ambushed me innocently reading something online. That was when the shine came off new technology for me

I think it is partly situational: some of them listen while driving in the car, or sit and do handicrafts while listening, or have other reasons that they can listen but cannot read at that time. I suspect it's similar to people listening to the radio.

good point; typically the headphone wearers I see are walking the street or on public transport for example.