new research debunks trad views on nutrition

[Folly's place]

This has been very interesting, and I'm going to add something I found out this year (the not so good way!).
As a young adult I became somewhat lactose intolerant; fresh milk was not good, scalded or cooked milk, ice cream, yogurt, and cheeses all fine. Many years later, last fall, GI issues developed, and I found out that lactose intolerance can get WAY WORSE over time!
Now a lactase suppliment is my friend, and forgetting it doesn't go well at all.
Overprocessed foods aren't great at all, agree completely. It's about all the added ingredients that make no sense, as adding stuff to buttermilk or sour cream, when it should be milk or cream and the culture only.
And humans are omnivores, not grazing herbivores!
Mary
Edited to say that it's lactase I need more of, not 'lactose suppliment'
Must reread what I write!

 

[Molpet]

It's about all the added ingredients that make no sense,

So true.
I really like the app that Shadrock shared, yuka . It's very helpful so I don't have to read all that fine print and figure out what are bad or ok additives. And what is a better choice

 

[BDutch]

And humans are omnivores, not grazing herbivores!
Mary

… was our way with food and lifestyle before the industrial revolution right? and all we have changed now is wrong?

Meat was a luxury product for many people in my country a century ago. Many people only ate meat once a week, not more.

Today the food and healthcare institute in my country advices to eat not more than 300 grams red meat a week and no more than 500 gram including white meat (like chicken). Upf meat is the worst. Advice is up to max 30 g a week.
And they also advice eat at least 250g vegetables a day.

 

[Folly's place]

Historically (before agriculture, a recent development in human history) people were hunter-gatherers, and ate animals and plants available to them. Did they live longer than we do now? Not likely, because there were so many other factors involved.
It's harder to balance a vegetarian diet, and vegans need suppliments, because we need certain amino acids not easily found in plants. Balancing the amino acid profile, fats, and carbohydrates gives us an optimal diet, which varies a bit depending on individual needs.
Rant over...
We live much longer than people 70+ years ago, because of Public Health (clean water, food safety, vaccines, medical advances) in spite of the overprocessed diet choices available now.
Mary

 

[Iluveggers]

The folic acid there really caught my attention. I see the other things among things people don't eat fairly often but I don't know if I've seen that before. Except for my daughter. She found out about a year ago that she has a gene mutation that results in an inability to process the most common form of folic acid in supplements. It can build up to toxic levels. She can take the less common form with no problems.

Is it MTHFR mutation? Very common in women.

Folate is the real deal, folic acid is a synthetic.

Yes. However pharmaceutical companies put synthetic folic acid in prenatal vitamins. Many women have issues and don’t attribute it to this. A great brand of supplement is Thorne. Another is pure encapsulations. They use “real” supplements and avoid synthetics.

This made no sense to me, because I didn’t know the word folate and vitamin B11 / folic acid is said to be an essential vitamin in my country. So I searched on the web for more info.

Translated from Dutch:
Folate and folic acid are different forms of vitamin B11. While there is a clear difference between the two, the names are often used interchangeably. In fact, there is a lot of confusion about folic acid and folate, even among professionals. However, it's important to know the difference because the two forms do not have the same effects on health. This article explains the difference between folic acid and folate.

Vitamin B11
Vitamin B11 is an essential nutrient that occurs naturally as folate. Folate serves many important functions in the body. For example, it plays a key role in cell growth and the formation of DNA. Low folate levels are linked to an increased risk of several conditions, including:

• Elevated homocysteine: High homocysteine levels have been linked to an increased risk of heart disease and stroke (1, 2).
• Birth defects: Low folate levels in pregnant women are linked to birth defects, such as neural tube defects (3).

Horrible that more people aren’t being made aware of this.

• Cancer risk: A lack of folate is also linked to an increased risk of cancer (4, 5).

That's why vitamin B11 supplementation is common. This nutrient is even required to be added to food in countries like the US, Canada, and Chile. The problem, however, is that supplements and fortified foods usually contain folic acid, not folate.

This has been very interesting, and I'm going to add something I found out this year (the not so good way!).
As a young adult I became somewhat lactose intolerant; fresh milk was not good, scalded or cooked milk. ice cream, yogurt, and cheeses all fine. Many years later, last fall, GI issues developed, and I found out that lactose intolerance can get WAY WORSE over time!
Now a lactose suppliment is my friend, and forgetting it doesn't go well at all.
Overprocessed foods aren't great at all, agree completely. It's about all the added ingredients that make no sense, as adding stuff to buttermilk or sour cream, when it should be milk or cream and the culture only.
And humans are omnivores, not grazing herbivores!
Mary

Sheep milk products are much easier on my stomach! There are some good cheeses and yogurts available by me, and even a local farm that makes gelato on occasion! That is a great treat!

 

[saysfaa]

Is it MTHFR mutation? Very common in women.
...

I asked her. She said:
Yep. If I remember right it is a gene mutation (I can't remember if I have one or both of them) and can't be "cured" but largely doesn't affect me except it can cause problems for pregnancy and I am not supposed to take regular folic acid which is in most prenantals. I have an expensive prenantals that has methylfolated (??) folic acid and should also eat leafy greens

 

[Sally PB]

I found the book I was looking for.

Salt Wars, by Michael Jacobson. Jacobson co-founded the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI).

He refers to a lot of studies, with citations, so the reader can look them up. I'm re-reading the book.

I quit regularly salting my food in college, and rarely do nowadays. However, the salt shaker is not where most Americans get most of the sodium in their diet. More of it is in the processed food they buy in the grocery store, or in restaurant/fast food meals.

 

[Shadrach]

I think this could be applied to chickens as best diet advice.
I'm not a believer in the high protein diet for chickens.

https://www.redpenreviews.org/revie...slow-aging-fight-disease-and-optimize-weight/

 

[Perris]

I believe in providing lots of choice and letting the chickens, individually, choose what and how much of it to eat.

 

[Shadrach]

I believe in providing lots of choice and letting the chickens, individually, choose what and how much of it to eat.

Unfortunately this isn't realistic for many keepers, particularly the fully confined backyard model and to a lesser extent, the some time ranging model.