no animal by- product feed- help please!

[Lbrad7]

Mercury is found in high concentrations in certain fresh water species as well as marine fish. That is why there are such high concentrations in Belugia whales, Orcas and Jeremy Pivin.

His love for sushi put him in the hospital for some time with mercury poisioning and he still doesn't know how it is going to affect him long term. Once it enters your body, mercury is there for good.

Besides...I said that the worry of mercury being in fishmeal would never stop me from feeding it to my chickens. I think its such a small possibility that the benefits far out weigh the risk.

 

[Beekissed]

Just watched a rerun of Dirty Jobs....an episode about rendering plants.

The dead cows~dead from supposedly natural causes(who verifies this, I wonder?)~are lowered head first (brains intact ) into a grinder and ground down into...you guessed it, hog and chicken feed!

In the film it showed huge truck loads coming from butcher shops and such and dumped into the mix...saw a lot of plastic bags in there also. They were even dumping ice cream and other garbage in the mix.

So....dead and really rotten cows, processing leftovers, plastic bags, various garbage...turned into animal proteins and added to poultry feeds.

Now...soy proteins added from...well...soybeans, or the garbage and rotten flesh of possibly diseased animals....

I don't know about you all but I'll take the dangerous and nasty soybean proteins.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Beef has not been allowed in poultry feed for many years.

 

[Beekissed]

Quote:
Then those rendering guys were just lying? They mentioned it several times in the episode and at the very end Mike Rowe held up a handful of the rendered animal byproduct and said it had been recycled into chicken feed.


Someone needs to contact that processing plant and Dirty Jobs and tell the right away that this is not allowed!!!!

 

[le neige homme]

Actually, the commercial feeds are nothing but a byproduct of our own cheap, broken food system. It is nothing but garbage and filth designed to be poured down a bird's gullet for a couple years, until she's made into soup and replaced by the next Spring Chicken.

 

[Organics North]

Agreed one must always remain respectful to other BYC members posts.. No matter what your personal opinion may be. (At least if you want to stick around for a while.) I personally find le neige homme's post in this thread questioning Purina feed as right for everyone valid. (Though those industrial battery hens will most likely not be made into soup.....Nope I believe composting the birds is the "in" thing with the big producers these days..)

Quite frankly their is no shortage of opinion supporting the talking heads of big agribusiness. An individual has the right to question a statement made basically saying "Purina feed is right for everyone" Maybe some folks don't like the option of a big company that uses GMO grains which put money right into the pockets of the likes of Monsanto corp. (Heck in the 60/70's they made agent orange to poison us...Who knows what their current crop of engineered goodies will do to us and our farmers.) One thing for sure the corn and soy diets has made us the fattest nation on earth, and we have fewer and fewer small to mid size farms in our country...

After all this a "Back Yard Chickens forum" Not the Tyson growers association...

Many folks keep chickens to get away from the industrial food chain that controls virtually all aspects of the food we eat and the feed we feed.

I will leave it there...

Peace and be well all..

ON

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote:
Then those rendering guys were just lying? They mentioned it several times in the episode and at the very end Mike Rowe held up a handful of the rendered animal byproduct and said it had been recycled into chicken feed.


Someone needs to contact that processing plant and Dirty Jobs and tell the right away that this is not allowed!!!!

From http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm164473.htm
Bold is mine.

Mad Cow Disease
As the regulator of animal feed, FDA plays a key role in protecting U.S. cattle from bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), also called “mad cow” disease, and protecting the health of people who consume cattle products. In April 2008, FDA issued a final regulation barring certain cattle materials from all animal feed, including pet food. The banned materials are the cattle tissues that have the highest risk for carrying the agent thought to cause BSE. The final regulation strengthens a 1997 feed regulation and subsequent amendments to protect animals and consumers against BSE.

Since the 1997 feed regulation was established, FDA and state inspectors have conducted more than 66,000 inspections involving more than 15,000 firms that handle animal feed. More than 99 percent of these facilities are in compliance with the regulation.

Also http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/ComplianceManuals/CompliancePolicyGuidanceManual/ucm074717.htm
and http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=21&PART=589&SECTION=2001&TYPE=TEXT
Once again, bold is mine. There is much more that I could have made bold for appropriate emphasis, but I think I covered the basics.

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 21, Volume 6]
[Revised as of April 1, 2009]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 21CFR589.2001]

[Page 589-592]

TITLE 21--FOOD AND DRUGS

CHAPTER I--FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES (CONTINUED)

PART 589_SUBSTANCES PROHIBITED FROM USE IN ANIMAL FOOD OR
FEED--Table of Contents

Subpart B_Listing of Specific Substances Prohibited From Use in Animal
Food or Feed

Sec. 589.2001 Cattle materials prohibited in animal food or feed
to prevent the transmission of bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

(a) Purpose--The purpose of this section is to prohibit the use of
certain cattle origin materials in the food or feed of all animals to
further reduce the risk of the spread of bovine spongiform
encephalopathy (BSE) within the United States.
(b) Definitions--(1) Cattle materials prohibited in animal feed
include:
(i) The entire carcass of BSE-positive cattle;
(ii) The brains and spinal cords of cattle 30 months of age and
older;
(iii) The entire carcass of cattle not inspected and passed for
human consumption as defined in paragraph (b)(2) of this section that
are 30 months of age or older from which brains and spinal cords were
not effectively removed or otherwise effectively excluded from animal
feed;
(iv) Mechanically separated beef as defined in paragraph (b)(3) of
this section that is derived from materials specified in paragraphs
(b)(1)(i), (b)(1)(ii), and (b)(1)(iii) of this section; and
(v) Tallow as defined in paragraph (b)(5) of this section that is
derived from materials specified in paragraphs (b)(1)(i), (b)(1)(ii),
and (b)(1)(iii) of this section.
(vi) Cattle materials prohibited in animal feed do not include:
(A) Tallow derivatives as defined in paragraph (b)(6) of this
section;
(B) Tallow as defined in paragraph (b)(5) of this section that is
derived from materials specified in paragraphs (b)(1)(ii) and
(b)(1)(iii) of this section and that contains no more than 0.15 percent
insoluble impurities. Insoluble impurities must be measured by the
method entitled ``Insoluble Impurities'' (AOCS Method Ca 3a-46),
American Oil Chemists' Society (AOCS), 5th Edition, 1997, incorporated
by reference in accordance with 5 U.S.C. 552(a) and 1 CFR part 51, or
another method equivalent in accuracy, precision, and sensitivity

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to AOCS Official Method Ca 3a-46. You may obtain copies of the method
from the AOCS (http://www.aocs.org), 2211 W. Bradley Ave., Champaign, IL
61821. Copies may be examined at the Center for Food Safety and Applied
Nutrition's Library, 5100 Paint Branch Pkwy., College Park, MD 20740, or
at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). For
information on the availability of this material at NARA, call 202-741-
6030, or go to: http://www.archives.gov/federal--register/code--of--
federal--regulations/ibr--locations.html.
(C) Materials as defined in paragraphs (b)(1)(ii), (b)(1)(iii),
(b)(1)(iv) (other than mechanically separated beef from the carcass of a
BSE-positive cattle), and (b)(1)(v) of this section from cattle from a
country that has been designated under paragraph (f) of this section.
(2) Cattle not inspected and passed for human consumption means
cattle that did not pass antemortem inspection by the appropriate
regulatory authority. This term includes nonambulatory disabled cattle.
Nonambulatory disabled cattle are cattle that cannot rise from a
recumbent position or that cannot walk, including, but not limited to,
those with broken appendages, severed tendons or ligaments, nerve
paralysis, fractured vertebral column, or metabolic conditions.
(3) Mechanically separated beef means a finely comminuted meat food
product, resulting from the mechanical separation and removal of most of
the bone from attached skeletal muscle of cattle carcasses and parts of
carcasses.
(4) Renderer means any firm or individual that processes slaughter
byproducts, animals unfit for human consumption, or meat scraps. The
term includes persons who collect such materials and subject them to
minimal processing, or distribute them to firms other than renderers (as
defined in this paragraph) whose intended use for the products may
include animal feed, industrial use, or other uses. The term includes
renderers that also blend animal protein products.
(5) Tallow means the rendered fat of cattle obtained by pressing or
by applying any other extraction process to tissues derived directly
from discrete adipose tissue masses or to other carcass parts and
tissues.
(6) Tallow derivative means any product obtained through initial
hydrolysis, saponification, or trans-esterification of tallow; chemical
conversion of material obtained by hydrolysis, saponification, or trans-
esterification may be applied to obtain the desired product.
(c) Requirements. (1) No animal feed or feed ingredient shall be
manufactured from, processed with, or otherwise contain, cattle
materials prohibited in animal feed as defined in paragraph (b)(1) of
this section.
(2) Renderers that receive, manufacture, process, blend, or
distribute cattle materials prohibited in animal feed as defined in
paragraph (b)(1) of this section, or products that contain or may
contain cattle materials prohibited in animal feed, shall take the
following measures to ensure that materials prohibited as defined in
paragraph (b)(1) of this section are not introduced into animal feed:
(i) Exclude from use in animal feed the entire carcass of cattle not
inspected and passed for human consumption as defined in paragraph
(b)(2) of this section if:
(A) The brain and spinal cord are not effectively removed from such
cattle or the brain and spinal cord from such cattle are not otherwise
effectively excluded from animal feed; and
(B) Such cattle are 30 months of age or older.
(ii) If renderers remove brain and spinal cord from cattle not
inspected and passed for human consumption, or separate such animals
based on whether or not they are 30 months of age or older, renderers
must maintain adequate written procedures specifying how these processes
are carried out.
(iii) Once cattle materials prohibited in animal feed have been
separated from other cattle materials, provide for measures to avoid
cross-contamination;
(A) Use separate equipment while handling cattle materials
prohibited in animal feed; or
(B) Use separate containers that adequately prevent contact with
animal feed, animal feed ingredients, or equipment surfaces;

[[Page 591]]

(iv) Label the cattle materials prohibited in animal feed and
products that contain or may contain cattle materials prohibited in
animal feed in a conspicuous manner as follows: ``Do not feed to
animals'';
(v) Mark the cattle materials prohibited in animal feed and products
that contain or may contain cattle materials prohibited in animal feed
with an agent that can be readily detected on visual inspection; and
(vi) Establish and maintain records sufficient to track cattle
materials prohibited in animal feed to ensure such material is not
introduced into animal feed, and make the records available for
inspection and copying by the Food and Drug Administration.
(3) Renderers that receive, manufacture, process, blend, or
distribute any cattle materials shall take the following measures to
ensure that materials prohibited as defined in paragraph (b)(1) of this
section are not used in animal feed:
(i) Establish and maintain records sufficient to demonstrate that
material rendered for use in animal feed was not manufactured from,
processed with, or does not otherwise contain, cattle materials
prohibited in animal feed and make copies of all records available for
inspection and copying by the Food and Drug Administration. With respect
to cattle materials obtained from establishments which have segregated
cattle materials prohibited in animal feed, such records must
demonstrate that establishments supplying cattle materials to the
renderers have adequate procedures in place to effectively exclude
cattle materials prohibited in animal feed; and these records shall be
considered sufficient to meet this requirement if they include either:
(A) Certification or other documentation from the supplier that
material supplied to the renderer does not include cattle materials
prohibited in animal feed; such certification or documentation is
acceptable, provided that it includes a description of the segregation
procedures used, documentation that the supplier confirms that its
segregation procedures are in place prior to supplying any cattle
material to the renderer, and records of the renderer's periodic review
of the suppliers' certification or other documentation; or
(B) Documentation of another method acceptable to FDA, such as
third-party certification, for verifying that suppliers have effectively
excluded cattle materials prohibited in animal feed.
(ii) Comply with all applicable requirements under Sec. 589.2000
regarding animal proteins prohibited in ruminant feed.
(d) Adulteration and misbranding. (1) Failure of a renderer to
comply with the requirements in paragraphs (c)(2)(i) through
(c)(2)(iii), (c)(2)(v) and (c)(2)(vi), or (c)(3)(i) of this section will
render the animal feed or feed ingredients adulterated under section
402(a)(4) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the act).
(2) Animal feed or feed ingredients that are not in compliance with
paragraph (c)(1) of this section are adulterated under section
402(a)(2), 402(a)(3), or 402(a)(5) of the act.
(3) Animal feed or feed ingredients that are not in compliance with
the labeling requirements of paragraph (c)(2)(iv) of this section are
misbranded under section 403(a)(1) or 403(f) of the act.
(4) Failure of a renderer to comply with the requirements in
paragraph (e) of this section will render the animal feed or feed
ingredients adulterated under section 402(a)(4) of the act.
(e) Inspection; records retention. Records required to be made
available for inspection and copying by the Food and Drug
Administration, as required by this section, shall be kept for a minimum
of 1 year.
(f) Process for designating countries. A country seeking designation
must send a written request to the Director, Office of the Center
Director, Center for Veterinary Medicine, at the address designated in
Sec. 5.1100 of this chapter. The request shall include information
about that country's BSE case history, risk factors, measures to prevent
the introduction and transmission of BSE, and any other information
relevant to determining whether the cattle materials from the requesting
country do or do not meet the definitions set forth in paragraph (b)(1)
of this section. FDA shall respond in writing to any such request and
may impose conditions in

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granting any such request. Any grant by FDA of such a request under this
paragraph will be subject to future review by FDA and may be revoked if
FDA determines that the granted request is no longer appropriate.

[73 FR 22756, Apr. 25, 2008]

Effective Date Note: At 73 FR 22756, Apr. 25, 2008, Sec. 589.2001
was added, effective Apr. 27, 2009.

PARTS 590 599 [RESERVED]

Do you need more?​

 

[Beekissed]

Nope...I found the same regulations. Nor do I believe that they are adhered to by everyone who deals in these byproducts on a profit basis~in bold or not.

Hey, I'm not the one that filmed, on live TV, this swollen long dead cow being eaten by the mechanical jaws of a machine in a rendering plant in northern Cali. and repeating throughout the program that all the ingredients will be turned into high quality pig and poultry feeds...talk to the rendering plant owner and Mike Rowe.

I just observe and report for the general masses at Bawkyard Chickens....

 

[Chris09]

Quote:
Beekissed no affiance to you but I find it funny because neither Poultry or Swine contain bovine products in there feed...
Just go's to show you cant believe what you see on TV...

Common By-products in poultry feed.
Protein-
Brewer's grains
Distiller's grains
Cull beans
Feather meal

Protein and energy-
Brewer's grains
Distiller's grains
Corn gluten feed
Peanut screenings
Wheat mids

Energy-
Bakery meal
Fat
Hominy feed
Soft drink syrup
Soyhulls
Vegetable, fruit processing waste

Roughage sources-
Apple pomace
Corn cobs
Cottonseed hulls
Peanut hulls
Rice by-products

Chris

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

No doubt there are some who either intentionally or unintentionally violate the provisions. That is why feed manufacturing and rendering plants and all sorts of other facilities are required to have FDA inspections. I skimmed through manuals dealing with violations--looks like they mainly hit them in the pocketbook when/if violations are found. From the standpoint of usefulness, that is probably as big a threat to a business as anything.