NoNAIS.org

[Cetawin]

People are already registered in this Country and have been for over 100 years. Ask any of us Native Americans in this forum...we have a tribal number and a federal CDIB number....it tells the government how much indian blood we have so they know when they have bred us out or to their point of being non-recognized.

It is a disgusting practice but the government's way to get rid of us as a people through time...regulate each tribe by blood quantum and set it accordingly as to dilute the percentage enough to eventually eliminate the tribe altogether or force us to marry within our tribe.

Amazing really when you consider the only people numbered here are the ones who were here in the first place. Our government is full of itself and always has been.

 

[risurocket]

I am kind of a passivist and right now I am just glad that the National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is voluntary. this is the link I got my info from. Somewhere in all the small print it says it is a part of Homeland security. But I don't expect everyone to download the PDFs.
My main concern is Yes, I have to register my premises. But I rent, so do *I* do it, or does my landlord?

Link: http://www.wiid.org/index.php (I am only speaking from seeing what Wisconsin requires. I don't want to get involved with the debate of whether it is right or wrong, really. and I am sure I can find out what I need to know by digging through the small print. I just wanted to clarify what my concerns are. I already have to register, no choice about that.)

 

[DuckyBoys]

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Well, yeah OK. Is that realistic though? I don't think so. At least not in America. I mean I don't know how it is where other people live, but here in Colorado the government is pretty afraid of the citizens.

I mean we can fantasize all day long about conspiracy theories, but the fact is the larger farms are complying and have been for a very long time. So the small farmers are dreaming if they think they will get away clean. They won't.

The minimum requirement will be BMP's with heavy privately held record keeping, I guarantee it. Food terrorism is a reality as are disease outbreaks. We can put our heads in the sand and wait for the regulations or we can find solutions we can live with.

And in the long run...human micro-chipping aside...what are the real objections to the NAIS? Privacy. If you keep your records on your own premises, then your privacy is kept.

Most people want to curb the spread of disease and most would also agree that if there were a breach in the food system they would want a plan in place to deal with it quickly.

So if your privacy was guaranteed, would you still object? Or is everyone against simply against because they believe the people in these departments are evil power mongers and can't be trusted?

 

[dacjohns]

Cetawin,

Not NAIS but related to people being registered. I did not know that Native Americans had to be registered for whatever reason. I really don't know what to say about it because it is so disturbing.

I think just about all of us are registered in one way or another, we just don't have that tattoo, microchip, whatever else implanted. I hope it doesn't ever come to that. Biorecognition (face recognition, iris recognition, fingerprinting, etc.) is alive and thriving though. Social security numbers, drivers license having to meet a national standard to mention a couple. It is surprising how much information the government can easily find on an individual.

I just looked at your personal page, your husband, as I, has been through this. Fingerprints and DNA for starts.

Was the picture of your husband taken at Ft. Bragg near the Special Warfare Center?

 

[dacjohns]

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Well, yeah OK. Is that realistic though? I don't think so. At least not in America. I mean I don't know how it is where other people live, but here in Colorado the government is pretty afraid of the citizens.

I mean we can fantasize all day long about conspiracy theories, but the fact is the larger farms are complying and have been for a very long time. So the small farmers are dreaming if they think they will get away clean. They won't.

The minimum requirement will be BMP's with heavy privately held record keeping, I guarantee it. Food terrorism is a reality as are disease outbreaks. We can put our heads in the sand and wait for the regulations or we can find solutions we can live with.

And in the long run...human micro-chipping aside...what are the real objections to the NAIS? Privacy. If you keep your records on your own premises, then your privacy is kept.

Most people want to curb the spread of disease and most would also agree that if there were a breach in the food system they would want a plan in place to deal with it quickly.

So if your privacy was guaranteed, would you still object? Or is everyone against simply against because they believe the people in these departments are evil power mongers and can't be trusted?

I wasn't saying it was going to come to it. I was responding with what I thought country freedom was alluding to.

I'm not saying it could/would happen but voluntary implants have happened.



What is BMP?

 

[DuckyBoys]

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Best Management Practices. This is the government's way of keeping tabs on Ag without pi**ing them off too much.

Basically we have a set of things you must do, for instance in water quality animal feeding operations must certify their manure impoundments, which means they won't have run-off and the clay liner is intact. They keep records of any land application they do so we can compare water levels, a round about way of making sure no large spills are taking place. They never get inspected unless they are permitted facilities and only large operations are permitted here (usually). Permits are optional, BUT they cover your butt if you have an "event".

Stuff like that, only obviously more in relation to disease outbreak and control.

 

[dacjohns]

Thanks, as soon as I saw it I remembered. Thanks also for the examples.

 

[d.k]

* My objection to NAIS comes down to this one thing. It means the death of the family farm, the smallholder, and individual property and personal rights and freedom. It is essentially a major, if not THE major step to not only U.S. govermental totalitarianism, but truly global govermental totalitarianism. Remember this is not only happening here-- We just have another name for it. CONTROL THE FOOD AND YOU CONTROL THE PEOPLE, someone said. You betcha. Now, if that make me a conspiratist-- then I guess I am. Just don't try to tell me that it makes me stupid as well.

 

[flakey chick]

Here are some of my objections:

1) The legislation being written for the larger producers STILL would require those who raise pets or animals for the own consumption to participate. I do understand that these animals could affect the food chain as disease carriers, but it does seem to be an unfair burden on those who aren't selling food.

2) It's "voluntary" until it's not. It truly seems to have bypassed normal legislative review. Calling it voluntary and then trying to force it to be mandatory is troubling.

3) The smaller operations that contribute to the food supply will suffer and may be forced from the market. I think this can have a number of bad effects on the safety of our food supply. Keeping all of your eggs in one basket does make you more prone to risk. Having more producers with smaller holdings makes our food supply more secure. I am concerned about it reduceing the diversity of available livestock.

4) Record keeping. This is a big one. There are always mistakes. The data will not be 100% accurate. How do you correct it? How accurate will it be presumed to be? What consequences will incorrect data have? Some examples with other types of databases:
-The local jail released the wrong inmate of the same name because they didn't check the birthdate.
-My health insurance company decided to make me a few days older. How did my birthday get changed? I don't know. They used to have the right date on record. I haven't been able to get them to correct it yet.
-The bank kept changing our address back to our old address and then tried to charge us for providing them with the wrong address. Twice we had to go into the bank with old records that had been sent to the right address just to prove to them that we had given them the correct adress.

The larger the database, the more prone to errors it will be. I trust our government could do a reasonable job with the largest companies, but so many owners with just a few animals participating would be a logistical nightmare.

5) Speaking of logistical nightmare, how would you id every single chicken in the U.S. with an individual tracking number. For a flock of birds, you could put a tag on the cage or buildings. How many digits can you fit on a single leg band? Probably not the unique 15-digit number "easily and reliably readable".

6) Cost: Applying such a large scale registration would be pohibitively expensive no matter who pays. Obviously small producers would get squeezed and so would pet owners, but tracking small holdings and small details will be very expensive for the government as well. This is not the most effective way to protect our food supply.

 

[MayberrySaint]

d.k :

* My objection to NAIS comes down to this one thing. It means the death of the family farm, the smallholder, and individual property and personal rights and freedom. It is essentially a major, if not THE major step to not only U.S. govermental totalitarianism, but truly global govermental totalitarianism. Remember this is not only happening here-- We just have another name for it. CONTROL THE FOOD AND YOU CONTROL THE PEOPLE, someone said. You betcha. Now, if that make me a conspiratist-- then I guess I am. Just don't try to tell me that it makes me stupid as well.