Thanks for the input on the price, rancher. I'll they'll than I changed my mind. I will wait until I can get young Ameracaunas instead. Sorry to hear about you frozen fingers. When I have to be outside for any length of time in the winter, I usually double up on mine. I don't know if that would help you for the length of time you're outside, or in your really cold temps, but it's usually better for me. I wear the stretchy knit ones, then pull on the thick bulky ones. Regarding the vining plants, have you ever tried nasturtiums? There's a trailing type, a bushy type and a vining type I think. They flowers are supposed to be edible. I usually grow hyacinth bean, which, like scarlet runner bean, has lovely flowers (purple pink) and pretty bean pods you can eat. I think the scientific name is dolichos lablab. You can cook the pods when they are still young. Some types have a string on the side. I like morning glories myself, but that reseeding! Oh my goodness, if you decide you don't want them the following year, you're sol. I tried moon flowers once. They open at night and smell great. But I don't know if it's harmful to chickens.