odd looking lavender orp, dark/mottled looking

[onthespot]

I got enough projects already, with mille cochins, barred bearded olive eggers, BBS marans, Copper Black Marans, and the lavender orps, and a buyer for the bird already, so he will not have to go on the table, sunny side up. He looks too skinny to even make a bowl of soup out of anyhow.

Edit to add the EE horde and branching out into Midget White Turkeys and Bourbon Reds... yeah, that's enough birds for now. I think I will pass on making a new color of orp.

 

[onthespot]

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I'd rather go forth blindly with the best birds I have (phenotypically) than fully explore and gene map every dead end along the way.

 

[onthespot]

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Their legs are how they are supposed to be, exhibitors seeming to favor the darkest leg pigement possible, but the yellow being recessive would possibly crop up for several generations without serious and dedicated test crossing each and every breeding prospect back to a yellow legged bird of some kind.

I do want to try for a lavender laced white bird derived from lav orp and silver laced wyandotte. Not sure if I will shoot for lavender laced Wyandotte, or lavender laced orp. Probably easier to go back the Wyandotte direction because of the recessive yellow legs and the dominant comb type. but it is still just a twinkle in my mind's eye, before anyone rolls over in their grave already... no freaking out allowed.

 

[Krys109uk]

Yellow legs (not white) are recessive to white. it is not a matter of yellow legs or black legs. If the legs were not yellow with black spots, they probably wouldn't be black or even particularly dark....they would more than likely be white with black spots.
The mottling gene changes leg colour somewhat. I'm just sorting out how it works with my own birds.

 

[onthespot]

I would think it would be easier to shoot for yellow, (leaning back toward Wyandotte type, comb and all) because if you see it, you got it, instead of suspecting every white legged bird of carrying hidden yellow legs, or test breeding each and every bird to a yellow legger to proof out the babies to find out if they carry yellow before going in the breeding pen... unless I person just liked keeping numerous pens and meticulous records of every single bird, toe punching microchipping or somthing to make SURE you were keeping track. I'm just saying it would be a ton easier to breed for yellow legs than to breed for homozygous white legs if you started out with yellow... I would be working with recessive yellow legs, recessive lavender gene, and a dominant rose comb. All THAT before you even look at typiness for whichever breed you are trying to copy.

 

[lildinkem]

From reading others posts who have these Lavender Orp Project birds, you need to be prepared to spend ALOT of time, money and effort to get to a typey Orp like bird. I was offered some lav Orp Project eggs, and glad I didn't take them on. I have enough on my plate with just my Blacks/Blues and Buffs. I respect anyone who tries to create a new color of Orpington. They have to be a patient person. I am not very patient. I'll leave it to you pros.

 

[hinkjc]

A lot of interesting conversation here. The lavender color seems to appear in various shades. I agree to not use the darker specimens for the project. I have some and plan to do further testing on them shortly to iron out exactly what they are, but based on my discussions with others who know genetics better than I, they are lavender. I've also looked at Priscilla Middleton's site, which shows the dark and light version of lavenders. I'll see if I can find it to post so all can see. With very little information about lavender, we are basically learning as we go.

eta the link - http://www.orpington.nl/everybodys%20pictures_bestanden/PRISCILLA/priscilla%20Middleton.html

I don't see any signs of mottled in that bird. The mottling was obvious and those birds had white/mottled shanks, not dark like you see on the lavender birds. Mottled chicks hatch cream colored. You can see pics of chicks and birds from our mottled project on our web site.

Krys - pyncheons are bantams and were not used in my project at any step of the way. My mottling is from large fowl.

Anyone who has seen my birds can clearly see there is no way to build up from a pyncheon. The size difference is astronomical.

As someone mentioned, this is a project and there is still work to be done. It seems the reoccuring references to size and criticisms of the project continue. Have fun with that. My cockerels are easily 8-9 lbs already and many of our lavenders are very close to orpington type. For those continuing the work, enjoy our American made Lavender Orps!

 

[Krys109uk]

Krys - pyncheons are bantams and were not used in my project at any step of the way. My mottling is from large fowl. Anyone who has seen my birds can clearly see there is no way to build up from a pyncheon. The size difference is astronomical.

I'm not trying to pick a fight.....It would be too silly. I made the comment because I thought Charlie had said, last year, he'd been trying to get lavender from some bantams before he was given Lester.
And since you said you had mottling already in your birds, & I'd seen the two rather noticeable long tail feathers in pics of the males. Clearly mottling comes from somewhere & does not just appear by itself. I joined the dots. If I am wrong I apoligise. Really it does not matter what has been used as long as the end results have the type of the breed they said to represent.....heck some of mine have RIR in the mix & others have cochin. Outcrossing to another breed is not a big deal.

I get some darker lavenders too but not with the white flecks. Mine don't appear that dark & not dark enough to be described as pewter... but that could be lighting. I think the darker shades are due to other melanising genes.​

 

[wilds of pa]

Krys beings you are calling me out by calling my name here we go again..for your information we've had lester over two years ago and i don't recall ever talking about lavender in bantams with you or ever really asking for your advice for anything period..
if i did it certainly was not applying to our lavender orpington project.. mottled came from somewhere, it happen to be in the black orps we acquired for our project how is beyond me but thats were it came from.. as operantly you don't read to much..which was stated many times in our project information..

Krys one thing that is annoying about you is i tell you the same things over and over and it just doesn't seem to get through to you.. I'm not looking for your advice in any of our projects nor your opinions either..i here lots of talking the talk but never walking the walk..what i can see i believe, pictures are really worth lots, from chick to adult hood really satisfies me and many others to many beliefs..

If you don't like Our birds don't post about us or what you think you know about them..

never assume as you know how the old saying goes which i will not say..

~Wilds~

 

[hinkjc]

Just to put an end to the pycheon idea..search is our friend and most of our projects are well documented right here on byc.

We got our porcelain pyncheons in Oct 2008, as posted here. https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=98019

We have Lester since 2007, as you can see by date stamped photos on our web site.

So no, bantams were never considered or used in our large fowl projects.