Oh my goodness.. Let me tell ya.. I had a horrible day yesterday trying to make one of these. ended up costing me approx. 3500.00 which includes cost to the ER.. If you wanna see the "FINISHED" feeder that my husband finished when we got home and read my story, you can read the FULL story on my blog.. PHOTOS ARE INCLUDED!! http://andreanelsondesigns.blogspot.com/2009/09/oooooooooowch.html