Okay, Grammarians....This is she? This is her?

[Chicks_N_Horses]

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I remember this way from my HS English teacher. Also, she was always big on making sure you said "May I" instead of "Can I".

 

[Judy]

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I remember this way from my HS English teacher. Also, she was always big on making sure you said "May I" instead of "Can I".

I used to tell my son, of course you can, but you may not.

 

[bantiesrule]

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I thought "she is this" sounded funny too, but add person on it and it sounds better. She is this person.

 

[saddina]

"Just because you can do something, does not mean you may do it"

I remember "This is she" from Mercuatio's monolouge on Queen Maub of the faries, Romeo & Juilet.

Which I think ups my dorkiness a bit to 'fess up to.

I don't think they went thru this in school untill I took french and we needed to conjugate verbs... but then again grammar was big in 5th grade, and I spent much of that year clock watching.

 

[onthespot]

So much has been lost from our language, all rules of spelling and grammar are out the window and everything goes now. As long as a person can throw out a garbled puzzle that can be solved quickly enough for the person to stay abreast of the flow of conversation... "it's all good!"

We have moved past the point of no return and our beautiful language is lost forever in my opinion. There are more people out there that don't know and don't care, than there are that do and do care. The have-nots are going to prevail and we will just have to deal with it. Every dog has its day, and the day of proper English as we knew it are over. A new "English" is forming and it is blunted, inexact and barely decipherable sometimes, but it will have to do.

 

[joebryant]

You cannot use an object pronoun after a linking verb; you have to have a subject pronoun because it's the same thing as the subject (noun or pronoun).

This = N1s = Subject Pronoun (s = noun substitute, i.e., pronoun)

is = LV= Linking verb Connects a predicate noun, predicate pronoun, or precidate adjective back to what is the same as the subject noun or pronoun or describes the subject noun or pronoun

she = Predicate pronoun

You are dealing with the N1s-LV-N1s (subject noun substitute/linking verb/ subject noun substitute) sentence pattern. You cannot say you are her (object pronoun) because you are the same person as the subject "this".
It is he whom I am speaking to.
I am he. I am Joe. Joe is I.

He is the paperboy. The paperboy is he. (You wouldn't say, "Him is the paperboy,'' so how could you say, " The paperboy is him."

Compound subjects with linking verbs:
It is Betty and Sue. It is they. They are Betty and sue.

Predicate nouns
N1-LV-N1 Bob is the manager. The manager is Bob.

Predicate pronouns
N1s-LV-N1 He is the manager. N1-LV-N1s The manager is he.
N1s-LV-N1s He is it. It is he.

Predicate adjectives
N1-LV-Adjective Joe is handsome.
N1s-LV-Adjective He is handsome.

 

[joebryant]

Edited for flaming

 

[joebryant]

Edited for flaming

 

[onthespot]

i rest my case. even someone who cares, doesnt care....

 

[joebryant]

LOL You win!