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[nnbreeder]

I thought they were stalling me, Cause all the farmers around me said they just went up and filed the form. I called the Oklahoma Tax commission after posting this thread, and the lady said she was checking into the situation and will call me tomorrow. She wanted my county and who I talked to that told me that. So I'm curious to see what she says tomorrow. The county survives off sales taxes, so of course they want EVERYONE to pay sales tax..

The county that you are in is famous for refusing farm tax exemptions. Years ago they told me that I didn't have enough land since I lived in town. OTC told me that it didn't make any difference how much land we had. There was a small animal exemption at the time that allowed a tax number even if you were breeding dogs or cats.

Teva and I found an empty house N of Enid and went to find out the owner. Since it is in Grant Co. Medford is the county seat. I was prepared for an all day ordeal after dealing with Kgfr. Co. through the years. Went to the court house and asked about it and the lady told me that she really needed the legal description to do us any good but to go across the hall to the Assesor's office.

I thought well it's started, the old roundy round. Walked into the assesor's office and explained what we were tring to do and again I was asked if I had a leagl and I told her no but if you have a plat map I will show you where it's at. I pointed to the section and told her the NE quarter, she punched a few buttons on the computer and up popped a picture of the house complete with owner's name. Took maybe 5 minutes. They didn't want to rent the house however but it was a very fun and learning experiance!

Wish all of our elected officials could be that nice!

 

[NanaKat]

And yes you can be audited with a farm tax number. Just save your reciepts and make darn sure that only stuff used on the farm is deemed tax exempt.

A brief story and a very true one.

A friend of mine was delivering his tractor to his farm on a commercial truck and stopped by the CO-OP to fuel it up. A few weeks later the Tax Comission called him and asked about it and he said yes he fueled it on the truck so they said well you have to pay road tax on the fuel. No big deal. paid the tax and basically forgot about it.

A couple of months later OTC called him again. Seems they calculated the distance between all of his farms and estimated how many times he drove it to work the fields etc. and charged him not only road tax but went back five years and added interest on top of that. I guess that bill had to be paid out in installments.

If you get to talking to farmers/ranchers they will often tell of things like this. Ya'll know about red-colored diesel? It is for off road use only and the Corperation Comission (OCC) has the right to make you open your fuel tank and take a sample of your fuel in your on road vehicle. If red fuel is found the min fine is 10 grand and I have actually seen them sticking fuel tanks at auction houses.

One of the local farmers has a 10,000 gallon tank for fuel storage and buys his fuel by the semi-load to get a deep discount. He only has 1 4x4 and a couple of smaller tractors on the place. OCC came to the farm to check him out and surmised that he had way too much fuel on the place for his smaller operation so he must somehow be using the fuel in his pick-up. But that day they just didn't catch him at it. You guessed it they fined him.

Talk to anyone that works a drilling rig, OCC comes out nearly monthly to stick tanks out there.

At $3.00 a gallon for off road diesel, that's a lot of fuel and a huge payout even with discount.!

 

[nnbreeder]

At $3.00 a gallon for off road diesel, that's a lot of fuel and a huge payout even with discount.!

Yes but when fuel doubled that fuel he had in storage was basically free. Everyone was working the fields with 3 dollar fuel and he was working his fields with .99 cent fuel. In a 4x4 tractor a savings of nearly 500 dollars a day.

 

[nnbreeder]

Quote from Averytds

I'm one of those Ameraucana peeps, but I don't think I'm uppity. I only own EEs, my DS owns AMs. If I come off as uppity, then I guess I'm not explaining it right. EE are Ameraucana crosses, just like Cornish Hybrids are a Cornish/Rock cross. Ameraucanas that don't meet the standards are still Ameraucanas. The reason for all the to do is because EE are very common and readily available and are being shown and sold on a massive scale as Ameraucanas or Araucanas. If it were the same with Cornish Hybrids, the Cornish and Rock breeders would take issue. If Cochin/Silkie crosses were being shown and sold on a large scale as pure Cochins, it'd be the same type of response. The rigidity is more a convenience issue. It's easier to say if it doesn't meet standards then it's not an AM then to delve into explanations and the birds background to determine if it is just non standard. If you have both the time and you are interested, most AM peeps will actually talk with you and help figure it out with you.

Teva's bird would likely pass at show. We have several EEs here that would too. I can't see you ever selling it to someone as a pure AM though. We wouldn't do that with ours either. There are plenty of people out there who would and do. It's pretty rare to see any real Ameraucanas or Araucanas at shows around here. EEs are almost always present, entered as both. I've heard Araucana breeders do the same thing. "Araucanas are rumpless and have ear tufts." If the person wants to know more, they'll hang around or research and get into it deeper, same as the AM peeps. Most people aren't that interested and/or if at a show and it's their bird in question, just get mad straight out and don't want to hear anyways. I haven't figured that one out yet. Why would you enter birds in a purebred poultry show without taking even a passing interest in the breed's standards?

More than half of the birds I've tested for the fair kids so far this year don't even know what breed they have. We're going to have to have some poultry meetings this next year because that was depressing.

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Nope your not uppity you are passionate about your breeds and about passing on knowledge to anyone that cares to take the time to listen. In every breed there are people like we were speaking of and it was out of line to paint just the AM breeders with such a broad brush.

And like you I am darn proud of all of our mutt crosses but I could never sell one as being pure anything. Besides it's fun to look at a bird and be able to then point out it's family many generations back while someone is standing there looking at them.

About the only exception to the rule are the NNs, from the research that I have done if a bird has the naked neck and the dimished body feathering it will exhibit all characteristics of the breed. And the breed is so stable and predictable that they are used in many tests as the control group.

 

[artsyrobin]

Whew! Chatty bunch aren't ya!! we are hanging on in the heat, haven't lost any, the mister has helped, i am dreading the water bill though

Oh and filled at the tax office for the permit- eveyhing is okay and go did not need anything really but sell birds at auction every so often! No land no tractor or anything else needed.

here in muskogee country all they ask is how many chickens etc you have- and the purchases have to be directly related to their care and upkeep-

If I can't find her a home soon we will put her down.

if you can get her taxied up here, i can try- there are a couple things i have done that have worked in different situations- first is a poultice of betadine and sugar mixed, changed it out every day for a week, this is a remedy used in england; there was a post here on using a poultice of duramycine for a week, not sure why that works but it does- the last time i tried vetrycine, you peel a little of the bumble up and spray it with the vetrycine and wrap it, continue with the spraying daily changing the bandage- vetrycine will target the staff infection- so far i had good results- but each case will be a bit different-

 

[michaeldaugherty]

Blanchard auction coming up this sat .The girl with the pony tail is Elea ma sating next's to Jack ...

 

[MacGuyver]

Well, I've been spending a bit more time chicken watching the last few days. Since we moved the hoop house over to the east pasture under the trees, and put up the fence, I've noticed that my two roosters have their little harems picked out. Jamie, my LF Dominique rooster is almost always hanging around with one LF Dominque hen, one of the bantam Cochin hens, and the silkie hen. The Brigadier, my bantam Cochin rooster, is always hanging out with two LF Dominique hens. I didn't think he would be able to. . . ah, accomplish anything with them, but apparently, upon further observation, I was wrong about that.

 

[erinszoo]

Hey Okiesawyers, I saw you were from Dover but actually had no idea where Dover was until today when we drove through on the way to take our daughter to church camp. I waved at ya even though I had no idea whereabouts you lived other than in the creek bottom.

Did you see me? Ha.

I've read so many different things about farm tax numbers that we didn't think we had enough land or birds to get one so we hadn't tried, but reading this latest batch of posts we're going to try at least on Wednesday to find out what we actually need in our county to get it done.

Got all the trees trimmed out of the fence line today to start the driveway move to the back of the property. So tired of dealing with the crazy neighbors who now say they are "watching" us. What the blip does that mean? Anyway, we got the chain link loose and ready to move, cut the top rail, and got the post pulled out to move in the morning to it's new location. Finally did a bunch of measuring too. We weren't sure how much space we would have for our car due to a tree and an electric pole in the alley but surprisingly we will have tons more room than we have now. I'm so happy. Tomorrow we will set the new post in concrete, move the banty pen and fence of the chicken yard to give us enough room to actually park the car back there tomorrow. Then, hopefully on Wednesday we can finish the garage conversion and move the birds in there so we can get the current chicken house taken apart and start laying gravel. If only we were about ten more people we could get it all done by Wednesday ... but my son hasn't figured out how to replicate us yet so.

Got the snot bit out of me by one of my banty roosters today. He literally grabbed the back of my hand and twisted while biting. It took a lot of control not to throw him into a wall. He's such a beautiful bird (mottled cochin) and we got him to be a show bird but he's gotten really bitey and aggressive. I just hate it because we don't know what to do with him now. Any ideas? And our other banty rooster, a golden sebright that is also just beautiful, crows all the time whenever anyone is around. Is that a breed trait or something? It's our first time with bantys and cochins and sebrights.

 

[sdsknifeworks]

Is it normal for a bird to roost in a nesting box? My little EE pullet is sleeping in a nest box instead of on the roost bar. As long as it won't hurt anything I don't mind but was curious. I think the top hen was kind of picking on her so she tried to roost outside in the run the past two nights. I just put her on the roost bar away from my buff and she slept there all night. Tonight she was inside the coop but in the box. Just has me curious.

You guys have me wanting to run over to the county assessors office next week to ask about that tax exemption. I guess the worst they can say is no right?

SDS

 

[averytds]

Darn, back from a long fair meeting. They still didn't understand what I was saying, but at least I got to get my protest on the record. Too bad, I really liked that fair. Maybe someday they'll see the light.


Thanks Les. My favorites are almost all mixes. Heck, most of my birds are mixes, except for the purebreds I pick up specifically to make a mix.

I love being able to point out the different traits and say where it came from and why I chose the parents. I'm partial to blue laced, pea combs, beardless, and feather legged. Anybody have blue-laced Brahmas?

I also know there are always a few in everything that are not...well... "people persons" and/or when it's hot out and it's coop in or out time, probably should wait to ask me anything. It gets frustrating to always be explaining. If the crosses were labelled and sold by the hatcheries as Ameraucana Hybrids or EEs it would help a lot.


I did know about the colored diesel, but only because I heard my husband talking about someone being caught with it by the DOT and how stupid that was because they check all the time. Was at a way station or something. Being curious I asked after he got off the phone what was so wrong/stupid since I had never even heard of the stuff.


We really needed you all at our poultry meeting. One gal alone had 10 birds there for testing and no idea what any of them were. Another gal kept telling me she had banties. When I said what kind, she said "banties". It was like Who's on first. The state wants me to list breed, variety and leg band number on the VS-9-2 for each bird. It took forever and a lot of kids didn't have what they thought they did. If it had been cooler and not so late, it might have been more fun. At one point I told crazyhorse it would go a lot faster if we had some of the Okies here. At least I think they all learned something.


We've had no losses so far this year to heat.

I'm attributing it to the open kennel/pens. We go out and hose the roofs and tarps a couple times a day and refresh the waterers with cooler water on the 100+ days. All have at least partial shading from trees during the heat of the day as well. The birds dig in around the concrete base of the building. I bought a mister system for when we're done with the roofs.