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[greenbeetle]

i believe it depends on breed- something about collies that have reactions

Yea, they use it on dogs for sarcoptic mange, ear mites, lice, lots of stuff. Ivomec is the ingredient in Heartguard heartworm preventative. Literally a single drop of straight Ivomec is more than what's in a Heartguard tablet and that prevents heartworms when given monthly.

Yes, but use it with caution there are a few breeds that have very bad reactions to Ivermectins. A quick google search gives me this article from petmd.

Ivermectin Toxicity in Dogs


This toxic reaction occurs especially in dogs that are genetically hypersensitive to ivermectin, an anti-parasite medication most commonly used for heartworm prevention, or to treat ear and hair mites, which can lead to mange. Ivermectin prevents or kills parasites by causing neurological damage to the parasite, resulting in paralysis and death for the parasite. But dogs genetically sensitive to the medication have an anomaly that allows the ivermectin to pass the dog's blood-brain barrier and into its central nervous system, which can be lethal for the animal.

While the sensitivity to this type of medication is not always guaranteed, the following breeds are most likely to be affected:

• Old English Sheepdog
• English Sheepdog
• Shetland Sheepdog (Sheltie)
• Australian Shepherd
• German Shepherd
• Long-haired Whippet
• Silken Windhound
• Skye Terrier
• Collie

It is also seen in mixed-breed dogs, older dogs that have experienced a blow to the head, puppies, and dogs that have overdosed on similar types of drugs. Treating dogs that are susceptible to ivermectin toxicity with parasitic medication should be only be done under a veterinarian's supervision and with great caution.

Symptoms


Symptoms for the dog may be acute or mild. Acute signs will become apparent within 4 to 12 hours of the drug's administration. In mild cases, symptoms will occur between 48 to 96 hours after your dog has been treated. Such symptoms include:

• Lethargy
• Depression
• Drooling
• Vomiting
• Dilation of the pupil
• Loss of appetite (anorexia)
• Difficulty controlling voluntary movement
• Disorientation
• Tremors/Seizures
• Inability to stand
• Blindness
• Slow heartbeat
• Respiratory distress
• Coma

You might want to ask your vet about doing this before you bring in your dog as an emergency 'train wreck' and ask if the vet can help you after the fact.

I worked for a vet back before this research was well understood and it's not pretty...but everyone makes the choices they see fit for their own animals.

Thanks everyone for the information, I think I will call my vet and see what they say, my dogs are little Chihuahua's. Since they are so small, i think i will take percautions by calling the vet.. Thanks again.

 

[Ksane]

@greenbeetle if the dog is that small I wouldn't risk it, period. You wouldn't be saving more than a few dollars since meds are pretty cheap for tiny dogs anyway.

 

[subhanalah]

There are often very inexpensive vaccination days at certain places. The SPOT clinic used to have one twice a year and the OK humane has them, just have to find out when they are. They can do a heartworm test for you and then you can order the heartworm medication through an online pharmacy.

 

[Tony O]

What's up with getting wheat this year?

Does anyone know where I can get wheat in the NE Ok. / SW Mo. area? The feed stores I use, and other local ones don't have any, and say they can't get it.

 

[ashtree]

We used to get wheat berries to sprout through the oklahoma food coop. It's been awhile since we looked but I bet someone still has them!

 

[SharkmanDan]

Just as a FWIW.
We have a terrible tick problem at our property. Not too much in the way of fleas, but the ticks are simply awful. We've been trying everything we could think of. A couple of months before we got our first chicks, I put down ant, flea and tick crystals, in the area where our dogs mostly hung out. It seemed to work on the dogs who never really left that area, but the more adventurous dogs, were still getting bitten, pretty badly. I tried K9 Advantix II (utter WASTE of good money, IMHO), permethrin (works okay, for the short term), flea and tick collars (more wasted money), and Noromectin brand of Ivermectin (seems to kill anything on the dogs, but doesn't prevent ANYTHING). Yet, every time we would check our dogs, they're just covered in ticks.
Here a few weeks ago, our toy poodle had gotten especially dirty, so my wife bathed her, using an older bottle of flea and tick shampoo. We never really gave it much thought. Most of the remedies, preventatives, and barriers, were mostly worthless, in our opinion. So, we had no reason to thing good, old fashioned shampoo, would work. A few days ago, we went through the ritual, of holding the dogs down, and pulling the ticks off of them. It was the worst I've seen, so far. With one exception. The toy poodle. She had ZERO ticks, fleas, or anything, on her. Nothing. Our beagle had ticks in his white patches, as did our catahoula, so it wasn't the white, that drove them off. Our dark brindle Boxer, and black mini schnauzer were pretty bad with them, too.
At this point, for the sake of the dogs' health, we decided that we must start letting the birds out, to help control the tick population. But, we still couldn't figure out why the poodle was void of any fleas or ticks. Then, it hit my wife. She had gotten that shampoo, with the Adams Flea and Tick shampoo. So, we shampooed the other dogs, and they are all, now mostly tick free (we never really had much of a flea issue, here). So, once every two weeks, or so, all five of our dogs will be getting a bath, with Adams Flea and Tick shampoo. For us, it is the ONLY thing that seems to work.
I am new here, but if I can contribute my experience, to potentially help someone else, I am happy to help.

FORGET THE FRONTLINE, K9ADVANTIX, FLEA COLLARS, SHOTS AND ORAL INJECTIONS. USE ADAMS SHAMPOO, AND YOU WILL BE GOOD TO GO. By the way, Adams collars are as worthless, as any other preventative.
Although, I have heard about a new pill, available from vets, for preventing ticks, that our vet says works wonders. I haven't tried it, yet, so I have no opinion, on that product.

 

[Kyzmette]

@shelbydog picked up some wheat for me a little while back, so she should be able to tell you which store it was. Of course, with that late freeze and the drought, things may have changed.

 

[huntseat]

Quote:
You can also mix up some 'dip' and keep it in a spray bottle to help boost the flea shampoo. Pyrahna (the good horse fly spray brand) now makes a shampoo and it works well too. Good luck! I've been fighting ticks on the cattle with pyrethrin sprays but I'm extra glad this year that a friend gave me 13 guinea eggs, and 11 hatched! Game on ticks!

 

[Kyzmette]

Just hatched two new Bumpies! They seem to hatch great, maybe because the extra shell gives them so much room to move around. Have the giant egg in the Brinsea with the peafowl egg I got in Coweta. Thats the Bumpy egg on the right.

 

[SharkmanDan]

Huntseat,
Yes. We bought 11 guinea keets, that are now about two weeks old. I am looking forward to the guineas doing, what guineas do, and annihilate those ticks. Grow, babies, grow!!!

The rest of our flock:
We also have bought a total of 15 turkeys, and have lost two. We started with two bronze, but after the predator got one of them, we bought another thirteen. 11 Narragansetts, and two white midgets. One of the whites just wasn't strong enough, to hang out with those Narragansetts, that are three or four days older. The bronze, that we lost, was getting pretty big, I think nearly two months old, and five or six pounds, when he stuck his head through the fence, at the wrong time, last week, and a predator got his head.
The remaining bronze, seems to like to hang out with those chickens, who seem to be a little smaller than he is. But, I think that's because he started hanging out with them, when he was much smaller than he was, or they are. Now, we refer to them, as "The Five". Two young Frizzles, two young Polish, (unknown age, but looking mostly full size, but not yet producing any eggs), and this Bronze turkey, are all buddies, and love to forage, together. But, the bronze, still seems like he misses the other one, who was lost to the predators. When he is out free ranging, he calls and calls and calls. We have wild turkeys on the property, and every so often, we'll hear one, answer back. He seems like he wants to go after the gobbler, in the woods, but likes the security of the flock. Of course I say he, not really knowing if this one is a jake, or a jenny.
The grown black Australorp hens, mostly hang out with their rooster, but the poor brown leghorn, seems to be left out of the flock, or at least is at the bottom of the pecking order, as the adult birds go. She kind of wants to hang out with the rooster, but he only wants her, for one thing, then, he ignores her. All three of these hens are laying pretty consistently.
Then we have these 8 week old birds. 3-Black Sex Links, 1-Columbian Wyandotte, 2-New Hampshire reds, 3-Buff Orpingtons, something white, that I can't quite figure out, what it is. It was supposed to be a pearl while leghorn, but as it has grown, there has been quite a bit of yellow, come out in her feathers, and two gold laced Polish.
And, then we have seven more, two week old chicks, of various breeds. One New Hampshire Red, one White Leghorn, and five that came in a meat/egg combo.
In about three weeks, we have another 30 chicks, coming in. Five each, Delaware/Hampshire cross, Brown Leghorns, Jersey Giants, Silver-Laced Wyandottes, Easter Eggers, and Sultans. Hoping that most survive, we expect to have quite an eclectic flock, with quite a variety of eggers, meat birds, and novelty birds, to give it some character.
That's our flock, for now.
When might we start expecting the young ones, to begin laying eggs?