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[Poco Pollo]

PoCo how many trees do you think you will need to retire on? I like it when people plant trees and plan on getting to see the fruits of their labor. So many people grumble that" whats the use,I'll be long gone by the time it grows up". That doesn't have to be the case and if we all felt that way and didn't plant trees it would be a terrible injustice for our future generations.

We wanted to plant ten trees each year for the first five years and then plant thirty+ each year for five more years. The goal is to have between 160 and 170 trees in the ground in ten years. The first five years we're planting 2 - 3 year-old trees that are already grafted. The next five years I ought to be able to plant 2-3 year-old trees that I sprouted and grafted myself. Wes Rice in Ponca City, OK, has scion wood that's top notch, so what I need to do is make a forrest of baby trees on native root stock so that I can graft them and have lots of Pawnee, Kanza, and Lakota to plant. Grafted root stock is about $20 per bare root tree. Pricey. Container plants start around $30 and go upwards of $70 to $100, depending on the variety and quality of the tree.

 

[Poco Pollo]

Tonight in market garden class we covered an hour+ in pecans. Story is most places are sold out of plants because pecan prices have doubled in the past 2 yrs so demand is high. Best pecans for recommended - Kanza - Pawnee & Lakota.
Atwoods does have pecans- but they advised those are not worth growing so don't bother.

Another reason most places are sold out is the harsh summer we just came through. Imagine looking out at rows and rows of baby trees, all scorched and dying in 100+ degree temperatures. I agree on the three you listed. Kanza is a good pollinator for the Pawnee, and the Pawnee grows a big, tasty nut. Lakota is fairly new and harder to find, plus it's very resistant to insects and scab and other things that kill pecan trees. Kanza is good on resistance, too, and Pawnee is somewhere in the middle.

 

[Poco Pollo]

We have 35 huge trees and have not had a good pecan crop since 2004. We had our trees harvested that year using tree shakers and vacuum equipment. Only two trees have produced since then.
How far apart are you going to plant your trees? We have been told by the Oklahoma Pecan Assn president that the best crop will come from 4 trees per acre. Spraying for worms in the nut and for black scab is important.

Has anyone evaluated your orchard for damage done by the shakers? Do your trees seem healthy, other than not setting a crop of nuts each year?

 

[poultryand bees]

Hubby and I have seem to have caught the poultry auction fever. (we usually antique action,lol). What auctions are this week that are worth attending?

My hubby spent all day today building new coops, lol.

Cathie

NNbreeder mentioned the Guy Rose Auction by Perkins on Saturday morning and Mary's Swap meet in Midwest City. You could make a weekend of it, starting with the Guy Rose Auction on Saturday morning at 9 am, then the Newcastle Auction at 6 pm, followed by Mary's swap meet on Sunday morning.

The Newcastle Auction is located on HWY 62 just South of a Park in the FFA bldg - one block from the Post Office in Newcastle. If you want to Google Map the Post Office you will have to pass the auction bldg to go to the Post Office.

 

[upcdayz]

I am ordering a LARGE amount of supplies, and came across this

Permethrin 10% Concentrate for long-lasting control of darkling beetles, poultry lice, fowl mites, fleas, & ticks. Can be used on goats, sheep, poultry, and dogs. Mix ½ oz. per gallon of water. After first usage, repeat in 10 -2 days to break the cycle.

I also saw it is used to spray in the yard to control all pest even mosquitos. Anyone used it? Any thoughts? We didn't have any mosquito problems this yr, but if it rains this spring we will have mosquitos right???

Permethrin (not to be confused with pyrethrin) is a widely used insecticide for control of mosquitos and other pests that comes in a variety of strengths. It's used on crops (commercially) to eradicate invading pests. It is generally safe to use on or around most mammals in lower concentrations, though not ingested, but is highly toxic to cats, bees, fish and crustaceans even in small amounts. You won't want to let any of the run-off get into a pond or puddle up where cats will drink it or spray it on crops that you want bees to pollinate. I don't use it because of these effects.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/Permtech.pdf


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permethrin

 

[Ksane]

ARTSYROBIN - yes they come in bantams as well as LF not shure if anny one localy has anny but last year a pair of choclate bantam orpingtons sold for over $5,000.00

What kind of fool pays 5K for a pair of chickens????

That's a high price just for bragging rights. They don't want to "further the breed" or "save" the color. They want to brag that they spent $5000 on 2 chickens lol

 

[jcatblum]

Quote:

We have 35 huge trees and have not had a good pecan crop since 2004. We had our trees harvested that year using tree shakers and vacuum equipment. Only two trees have produced since then.
How far apart are you going to plant your trees? We have been told by the Oklahoma Pecan Assn president that the best crop will come from 4 trees per acre. Spraying for worms in the nut and for black scab is important.

Have you taken in the leaves to the ext center to be tested? They need 100 leaves out of the trees, best done in July I believe. About $18-$20 Coral I completely understand the heat killing off the trees! I planted 15 fruit trees this yr. between the heat & the grasshoppers I am not sure if I will see any of them live, despite how hard I tried to care for them through the summer. Depending on how the summer goes I may replant in the fall.

 

[Sooner]

Ksane, I feel pretty much the same......No way I would pay that kind of money for a chicken.

I also don't pay big money for show birds!

 

[jcatblum]

Quote: Permethrin (not to be confused with pyrethrin) is a widely used insecticide for control of mosquitos and other pests that comes in a variety of strengths. It's used on crops (commercially) to eradicate invading pests. It is generally safe to use on or around most mammals in lower concentrations, though not ingested, but is highly toxic to cats, bees, fish and crustaceans even in small amounts. You won't want to let any of the run-off get into a pond or puddle up where cats will drink it or spray it on crops that you want bees to pollinate. I don't use it because of these effects.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/Permtech.pdf


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permethrin

I knew it was dangerous for cats. -- I am allergic so no cats. Would hate for it to harm any bees -- need those for my garden! Thanks for the info.

 

[old*cowboy]

What kind of fool pays 5K for a pair of chickens????

That's a high price just for bragging rights. They don't want to "further the breed" or "save" the color. They want to brag that they spent $5000 on 2 chickens lol

Back in the day, when sporting chickens were legal. Prices like that wasnt uncommon. The guys paying that price was making money too. Selling eggs for several hundred dollars a dozen. Ahh the good old days. Then now days you hear folks talking about the economy. Just saying.