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[flyingmonkeypoop]

So it sounds like you are just wanting a deleware with buff barring instead of black barring, right? It wouldnt be that hard I dont think. I would say use a good deleware male and cross to New Hampshire hens (closer than buff orp but more red). Take a male from that and breed back to new hamps, and by then some birds should start coming out like you want. Also look up the topic of red barring, same thing applies about getting the red barring but the dels are barred columbian. I dunno, I hope Krys comments.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Hmmm, you are thinking of a white bird with buff barring? I thought she meant the buff to replace the white, but the barring and columbian pattern to remain black.

So, OP describe the colours you're looking for.

THere is no such thing as a "pure bred" chicken, and thus no specific number of generations to arrive at such. With some, more difficult crosses, 5 generations may not be nearly enough to achieve the goal; with other, easier crosses you can achieve the results sooner.

The answer is, just about any variety that you can find in one breed can also be created in another.

 

[walkswithdog]

Well, problem one - Delawares are SO new, that getting "good ones" to start with and getting anywhere near the Standard is not at all, anywhere NEAR simple. Ask anyone trying to make heritage quality birds, much less show quality birds. It will take generations of work just to correct and set type from any pure delaware stock had, just to make good delawares. Add another breed and you'd be looking at years, probably a decade.

Then there is that Delawares are a Barred Columbian, silver based bird. And crosses would be sex linked, initially and it would always be a hitch in adding in each generations best physical TYPE bird - because best physical TYPE (Murphy's Law of Breeding) always happens in the bird that isn't the COLOR you're looking for.

You'd end up forcibly wrestling your conscience - keeping that not so simple but much better Buff Barred bird, or that narrower, less typey, but better colored animal.

In the end it's a lot of birds grown out to at least 20-30 weeks prior to cull. That is costly. But until you see a Del's weight and feather and breadth at 20 weeks you don't know nothing about it, unless it's an early DQ. And 20 weeks is about the minimum, that's a lot of feed to raise even 10 birds, much less the 30 or 40 a season that would make "creating a breed" go more quickly.

I grew out my first 25 Dels in spring. I pared them down to 10. This Fall their first 10 chicks are on the ground. I won't know their quality til Spring. Then I cull the 20 back down to ten and hatch another 20 chicks. And that's just to improve the Dels. If I had to worry about also changing color, I'd go stark raving mad.

If you have the room and the budget and the decade and the patience - nearly anything CAN be done.

 

[chickenlove2009]

I am 19. I got time.....lol


thank for all of your imput

I will do some research and when I start the project I will keep you all updated

 

[RAREROO]

So wait are you wanting a white bird with buff barred hackles, or a buff bird with black barred hackles?

I thought you were wanting the Buff body with black hackles, but if you are wanting the other it should be possile and shouldn't take as long. I just read a post the other day where someone crossed a Dela. roo with a BO hen and got a white bird with buff hackles, not sure if it had black too though.

I'm also young and planning a lot of projects to work on, so good luck to both of us. I plan to start working on Buff Barred Orps this spring.

 

[DawnSuiter]

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buy the Chicken Colours book and start the learning process, it's wonderful! You will learn so much!

 

[KatyTheChickenLady]

thank you OP for being brave enough to post that question! I know a lot of us think it, but are intimidated by the knowledge of the experts (who are very nice but VERY smart). It's easy to get lost in the beginning chicken genetics are more complicated than mammals. the answers are great so far . . . keep it coming experts many novices are watching

 

[High Roost Ranch]

You should be able to start setting traits by the 7th generation.

As you said, you're young. Your birds, your time, go for it! Nothing new ever came about by someone sitting on their haunches all day listening to the poo pooers out there.